U.S. Politics

[Royell Storing]

They - a small group - used lawfare against Trump; abused/misused their power. That's not a "deep state". It's a part of the national security/administrative state. They didn't get together to assassinate him and then frame another person and then have future generations cover it all up. Which is a preposterous argument. Any comparison between how they tried to get Trump (they did try but they also thought he was guility) and what is alleged to have happened to JFK falls apart on the slightest examination.

I've often asked the conspiracists why they didn't use "lawfare" against JFK? That is leak damaging information about him. Supposedly the CIA controlled the media through Operation Mockingbird. So why not leak impeachable information? Instead of doing that they decided to murder him and then hope future generations would cover for them? Were they idiots?

   "That's Not a Deep State". ??   They continuously went into a Top Secret FISA Court, (which does Not have transcripts recording what goes on in there), and were repeatedly granted wiretaps on the Trump People/Campaign, and this is Not DEEP STATE? Really?   

[Royell Storing]

Yes, I agree entirely.  An assassination conspiracy against JFK would have been an extreme measure when much simpler remedies were available to force him to step down.  And in that time, J. Edgar Hoover had the means and power to facilitate something along those lines.  The Trump situation involves establishment figures trying to protect power at all costs from outsiders.  They did not sit down together in a room to conspire.  Their hatred and fanatical desire to retain power had them all working for a common goal - stop Trump at any cost.   I don't necessarily consider that to be a conspiracy.  Just a group of influential people who are radicalized by their own common self-interest and endless propaganda.  Some of these people are dangerously unhinged.

   In general, anything/anybody that has a connection to the Fed Govt is acting in concert with other Govt connected people. These people do Not strike out on their own. They work in concert, otherwise they might step on each other's toes.   

[Tom Mahon]

"That's Not a Deep State"?? They continuously went into a Top Secret FISA Court, (which does Not have transcripts recording what goes on in there), and were repeatedly granted wiretaps on the Trump People/Campaign, and this is Not DEEP STATE? Really?

Hadn't Page already been under investigation in 2014 for being in contact with KGB*-types in Europe and Russia?

Wasn't the information on Page in the Mueller Report given to Christopher Steele by probable KGB* agent Igor Danchenko?

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Richard Smith]

   In general, anything/anybody that has a connection to the Fed Govt is acting in concert with other Govt connected people. These people do Not strike out on their own. They work in concert, otherwise they might step on each other's toes.

I guess it comes down to what is considered a conspiracy.  If a lot of people are acting in common cause based on their own ideology, I don't necessarily consider that to be a conspiracy.  There were undoubtedly many people and even groups working against Trump.  Not sure, however, that anyone was organizing this in some conspiratorial way.  That wasn't necessary because they all hated Trump to such extreme levels that they were largely acting on their own initiative.  The media hated Trump.  So they perpetuated hoaxes and lies on their own initiative.  No one had to force them or include them in some type of coordinated conspiracy effort.  They were more than willing and able to perform that function on their own.  I do think there was an intentional effort to politicize COVID and use that to influence the 2020 by using it as a pretext to change the election laws in almost every state in a way that was favorable to Biden and decided the outcome.  That had elements of a coordinated effort.