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Online Tom Mahon

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« Reply #2184 on: February 15, 2025, 05:59:37 PM »
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Good one!  And imagine criticizing Trump for not ending a war funded by Biden to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars even before he became president.  LOL.  Trump will have Biden's endless war ended within a few months.  Then a Nobel Peace Prize.  Under Old Joe, that war would have gone on and on for years.  The people of Ukraine will curse his name for showing weakness that allowed Russia to invade their country.

I've edited my OP:

Are you basing your (correct) statement of fact, i.e., that Trump is a liar, on direct evidence, or circumstantial evidence?

PS Did Ukraine invade Russia in 2014 and 2022, or was it the other way around? If the latter, did the U.S. / NATO force it to do so?

PPS How much have your grocery bills gone down so far?

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« Reply #2185 on: February 15, 2025, 06:09:33 PM »
I've edited my OP:

Are you basing your (correct) statement of fact, i.e., that Trump is a liar, on direct evidence, or circumstantial evidence?

PS Did Ukraine invade Russia in 2014 and 2022, or was it the other way around? If the latter, did the U.S. / NATO force it to do so?

PPS How much have your grocery bills gone down so far?

I don't think my grocery bill has gone at all, but Trump has been president for less than a month.  Old Joe was president for four years and they went UP by about 40%.  Along with everything else.  Record inflation, crime, drug deaths, illegal aliens etc.  His presidency was a catastrophe for the US and world.  It will take decades to undo all the harm done with his lies, corruption, weakness, and incompetence.  The US is $38 trillion in debt and counting.   That money was blown on endless wars, COVID lies, and other waste.  There are some hard times coming even with Trump doing everything possible to salvage the situation.  The corrupt establishment politicians spent all the wealth in the US to stay in power.  Those chickens are beginning to come home to roost.
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« Reply #2186 on: February 15, 2025, 07:48:45 PM »
Good one!  And imagine criticizing Trump for not ending a war funded by Biden to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars even before he became president.

Imagine Trump making a bunch of empty promises that he doesn't intend to ever keep, and his fan club just lapping up whatever he says.

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LOL.  Trump will have Biden's endless war ended within a few months.  Then a Nobel Peace Prize.  Under Old Joe, that war would have gone on and on for years.  The people of Ukraine will curse his name for showing weakness that allowed Russia to invade their country.

Who do you think you're kidding?  Trump will "end the war" by letting Putin have what he wants.  Until we end up with another USSR.

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« Reply #2187 on: February 15, 2025, 07:56:48 PM »
I don't think my grocery bill has gone at all, but Trump has been president for less than a month.

What part of "I will get it settled before I even become president" are you struggling with?  What part of "When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One" are you struggling with?  He is a pathological liar and his fan club just doesn't care.  Just like they don't care that he is a criminal.

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Old Joe was president for four years and they went UP by about 40%.  Along with everything else.  Record inflation, crime, drug deaths, illegal aliens etc.

Now you're just lying like your orange hero.  Inflation down, crime down, fentanyl down, border crossings down.  Trump duped you into believing things were horrible and only he could fix it.  He completely mismanged the Covid epidemic and nearly destroyed the economy.  And he will do it again with tariffs and tax cuts for his billionaire buddies.

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« Reply #2188 on: February 15, 2025, 08:16:21 PM »
I don't think my grocery bill has gone at all, but Trump has been president for less than a month.  Old Joe was president for four years and they went UP by about 40%.  Along with everything else.  Record inflation, crime, drug deaths, illegal aliens etc.  His presidency was a catastrophe for the US and world.  It will take decades to undo all the harm done with his lies, corruption, weakness, and incompetence.  The US is $38 trillion in debt and counting.   That money was blown on endless wars, COVID lies, and other waste.  There are some hard times coming even with Trump doing everything possible to salvage the situation.  The corrupt establishment politicians spent all the wealth in the US to stay in power.  Those chickens are beginning to come home to roost.

You have a typo of omission in your first sentence.

I thought violent crime went down during the Biden Administration?

Do you think the Covid-19 epidemic was Obama or Biden's fault?

Do you think Trump's giving a massive 2017 tax break which mostly benefited large corporations and wealthy people and substantially increased the national debt was Obama's or Biden's idea?

What "Covid lies," xxxx xxxx?

The second word rhymes with muck.

Factcheck.org

Biden's Numbers, 2024 Pre-Election Update, October 17, 2024

Summary

Here’s how the U.S. has fared since President Joe Biden took office:


* The economy has added more than 15 million jobs. The number is now about 6 million higher than before the pandemic. Unemployment is 4.1%

* The unemployment rate dropped back and has stayed lower, longer than at any time during the previous administration.

* Inflation spiked, hitting its highest level in over 40 years, then easing greatly. Overall, consumer prices are up nearly 20%. Gasoline is up 33%.

* Average weekly earnings haven’t kept pace with prices. After adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings dropped 1.8%.

* After increasing the year before Biden took office, murders and violent crime have declined. The murder rate dropped 0.9 points, and the number dropped 14.5% from 2020 to 2023.

*All three major U.S. stock indexes have made significant gains this year. The S&P 500, which set a new high this week, is up nearly 54% under Biden.

* The percentage of Americans lacking health insurance declined. The drop was 0.6 percentage points, when measuring those who were uninsured for an entire year.

* The economy has been growing at a faster rate in recent years than initially thought and continues to show unexpected resilience this year.

* Apprehensions at the southern border are up 201% for the 12 months ending in August, though they have dropped significantly since Biden implemented new border policies in June.

* More than 100,000 refugees resettled in the U.S. in fiscal year 2024 — the largest number in three decades.

* After-tax corporate profits continue to set records.

* The U.S. trade deficit during the most recent 12 months ending in August is about 27% higher than in 2020.

* The number of people receiving federal food assistance has declined only slightly.

* Federal debt has increased by 31%, and annual federal deficits rose in fiscal year 2024 for the second consecutive year.

* Even though inflation is easing and the economy is growing, consumer confidence remains stubbornly low.

* The U.S. is currently headed for a second consecutive year of record crude oil production.

* The U.S. is on pace for a fourth straight year in which estimated gun purchases declined.

. . . . . .

Shall I post the numbers for The Traitorous Orange [rhymes with "Bird's"] 2017-2021 "Administration"?

. . . . . . .

Regarding the immigration problem, here's a pertinent excerpt from Wikipedia:

2024 Bipartisan Border Bill

Following months of negotiations, on February 4, 2024, a bipartisan group of senators released a 370-page bill intended to sharply reduce incentives for migrants to attempt border crossings. The bill included a "border emergency" provision that would automatically require the border to be closed if border encounters reached an average of 5,000 per day over several days. Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson and other Republicans falsely claimed the bill allowed 5,000 illegal border crossings per day.[89] In reality, the bill would end the practice of "catch and release" that allows migrants entry into the country while they await immigration hearings; instead, migrants would be detained pending hearings.[89] The plan included a tighter asylum application and approval process with speedy removal of migrants who do not qualify, the hiring of thousands more border patrol and asylum officers and an increase in detention capacity. The bill also provided for thousands of work visas for migrant spouses of U.S. citizens awaiting immigrant visas, and 250,000 new visas over five years for people seeking to work in the U.S. or join family members. It aimed to provide a pathway to citizenship for "Documented Dreamers," children who accompanied their parents on a work visa and who could lose their place in line for a green card at age 21.[90]

President Biden supported the bill, while Speaker Johnson said days before its release that it would be "dead on arrival" in the Republican-controlled House. Shortly after the proposal was announced, House majority leader Steve Scalise declared it would not be brought before the House for a vote. One negotiator, independent Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema, asserted the border would have been closed every day so far in 2024 if the bill had been law; Biden promised in January that he would immediately close the border if the bill was enacted. Lead Republican negotiator James Lankford of Oklahoma, among the most conservative Republican Senators, attempted to defend the bill throughout the weeks leading to the vote. Trump, the leading Republican candidate for president in 2024, publicly and privately pressured Republicans during the Senate negotiations to oppose the proposal. The National Border Patrol Council, a labor union representing some 18,000 border patrol officers, quickly endorsed the Senate bill. The union had endorsed Trump in 2020 and had been critical of Biden's policies.[91][92][93][94][95]

Senate Republicans swiftly turned against the bill upon its release, after Trump openly said he did not want Joe Biden to score a political win with the legislation.[96] On February 7, Senate Republicans blocked the proposal in a floor vote. Lankford said on the floor before the vote that a "popular commentator" had told him a month earlier, "'If you try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy you, because I do not want you to solve this during the presidential election.'" Two days before the vote, Trump told a radio host, "This is a very bad bill for his career."[97] Trump said at a rally days later, "We crushed crooked Joe Biden's disastrous open borders bill," while Biden said, "Every day between now and November, the American people are going to know that the only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump and his MAGA Republican friends."[98]

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« Reply #2189 on: February 15, 2025, 10:17:34 PM »
You have a typo of omission in your first sentence.

I thought violent crime went down during the Biden Administration?

Do you think the Covid-19 epidemic was Obama or Biden's fault?

Do you think Trump's giving a massive 2017 tax break which mostly benefited large corporations and wealthy people and substantially increased the national debt was Obama's or Biden's idea?

What "Covid lies," xxxx xxxx?

The second word rhymes with muck.

Factcheck.org

Biden's Numbers, 2024 Pre-Election Update, October 17, 2024

Summary

Here’s how the U.S. has fared since President Joe Biden took office:


* The economy has added more than 15 million jobs. The number is now about 6 million higher than before the pandemic. Unemployment is 4.1%

* The unemployment rate dropped back and has stayed lower, longer than at any time during the previous administration.

* Inflation spiked, hitting its highest level in over 40 years, then easing greatly. Overall, consumer prices are up nearly 20%. Gasoline is up 33%.

* Average weekly earnings haven’t kept pace with prices. After adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings dropped 1.8%.

* After increasing the year before Biden took office, murders and violent crime have declined. The murder rate dropped 0.9 points, and the number dropped 14.5% from 2020 to 2023.

*All three major U.S. stock indexes have made significant gains this year. The S&P 500, which set a new high this week, is up nearly 54% under Biden.

* The percentage of Americans lacking health insurance declined. The drop was 0.6 percentage points, when measuring those who were uninsured for an entire year.

* The economy has been growing at a faster rate in recent years than initially thought and continues to show unexpected resilience this year.

* Apprehensions at the southern border are up 201% for the 12 months ending in August, though they have dropped significantly since Biden implemented new border policies in June.

* More than 100,000 refugees resettled in the U.S. in fiscal year 2024 — the largest number in three decades.

* After-tax corporate profits continue to set records.

* The U.S. trade deficit during the most recent 12 months ending in August is about 27% higher than in 2020.

* The number of people receiving federal food assistance has declined only slightly.

* Federal debt has increased by 31%, and annual federal deficits rose in fiscal year 2024 for the second consecutive year.

* Even though inflation is easing and the economy is growing, consumer confidence remains stubbornly low.

* The U.S. is currently headed for a second consecutive year of record crude oil production.

* The U.S. is on pace for a fourth straight year in which estimated gun purchases declined.

. . . . . .

Shall I post the numbers for The Traitorous Orange [rhymes with "Bird's"] 2017-2021 "Administration"?

. . . . . . .

Regarding the immigration problem, here's a pertinent excerpt from Wikipedia:

2024 Bipartisan Border Bill

Following months of negotiations, on February 4, 2024, a bipartisan group of senators released a 370-page bill intended to sharply reduce incentives for migrants to attempt border crossings. The bill included a "border emergency" provision that would automatically require the border to be closed if border encounters reached an average of 5,000 per day over several days. Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson and other Republicans falsely claimed the bill allowed 5,000 illegal border crossings per day.[89] In reality, the bill would end the practice of "catch and release" that allows migrants entry into the country while they await immigration hearings; instead, migrants would be detained pending hearings.[89] The plan included a tighter asylum application and approval process with speedy removal of migrants who do not qualify, the hiring of thousands more border patrol and asylum officers and an increase in detention capacity. The bill also provided for thousands of work visas for migrant spouses of U.S. citizens awaiting immigrant visas, and 250,000 new visas over five years for people seeking to work in the U.S. or join family members. It aimed to provide a pathway to citizenship for "Documented Dreamers," children who accompanied their parents on a work visa and who could lose their place in line for a green card at age 21.[90]

President Biden supported the bill, while Speaker Johnson said days before its release that it would be "dead on arrival" in the Republican-controlled House. Shortly after the proposal was announced, House majority leader Steve Scalise declared it would not be brought before the House for a vote. One negotiator, independent Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema, asserted the border would have been closed every day so far in 2024 if the bill had been law; Biden promised in January that he would immediately close the border if the bill was enacted. Lead Republican negotiator James Lankford of Oklahoma, among the most conservative Republican Senators, attempted to defend the bill throughout the weeks leading to the vote. Trump, the leading Republican candidate for president in 2024, publicly and privately pressured Republicans during the Senate negotiations to oppose the proposal. The National Border Patrol Council, a labor union representing some 18,000 border patrol officers, quickly endorsed the Senate bill. The union had endorsed Trump in 2020 and had been critical of Biden's policies.[91][92][93][94][95]

Senate Republicans swiftly turned against the bill upon its release, after Trump openly said he did not want Joe Biden to score a political win with the legislation.[96] On February 7, Senate Republicans blocked the proposal in a floor vote. Lankford said on the floor before the vote that a "popular commentator" had told him a month earlier, "'If you try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy you, because I do not want you to solve this during the presidential election.'" Two days before the vote, Trump told a radio host, "This is a very bad bill for his career."[97] Trump said at a rally days later, "We crushed crooked Joe Biden's disastrous open borders bill," while Biden said, "Every day between now and November, the American people are going to know that the only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump and his MAGA Republican friends."[98]
 
Providing dates.  All of these occurred during the Biden administration and are easily found using Google.  LOL.

Illegal immigration broke all previous records:  Jan. 26, 2024 - during the Biden admistration

WASHINGTON (AP) — Arrests for illegal border crossings from Mexico reached an all-time high in December since monthly numbers have been released, authorities said Friday, exposing a growing vulnerability for President Joe Biden in his campaign for a second term.

Inflation hit a 40-year high:  Jan. 12, 2022 - during the Biden administration

WASHINGTON (AP) — Inflation jumped at its fastest pace in nearly 40 years last month, a 7% spike from a year earlier that is increasing household expenses, eating into wage gains and heaping pressure on President Joe Biden and the Federal Reserve to address what has become the biggest threat to the U.S. economy.

Record violent crime that the FBI tried to suppress:  Oct. 16, 2024 - during the Biden administration

FBI quietly updates crime data to show big jump in violence under Biden-Harris admin: 'Shocking'
A 2.1% drop in violent crimes in 2022 has now been revised to show a 4.5% increase, crime and data expert John Lott found.


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« Reply #2190 on: February 15, 2025, 10:42:15 PM »
What part of "I will get it settled before I even become president" are you struggling with?  What part of "When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One" are you struggling with?  He is a pathological liar and his fan club just doesn't care.  Just like they don't care that he is a criminal.

Now you're just lying like your orange hero.  Inflation down, crime down, fentanyl down, border crossings down.  Trump duped you into believing things were horrible and only he could fix it.  He completely mismanged the Covid epidemic and nearly destroyed the economy.  And he will do it again with tariffs and tax cuts for his billionaire buddies.



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« Reply #2191 on: February 16, 2025, 12:40:16 AM »
Imagine Trump making a bunch of empty promises that he doesn't intend to ever keep, and his fan club just lapping up whatever he says.

Who do you think you're kidding?  Trump will "end the war" by letting Putin have what he wants.  Until we end up with another USSR.

   The guy that was supposed to be an existential threat to Democracy WON! Yet, here we stand. Once Kash Patel gets approved by the Senate, the REAL Fun Starts. "You ain't seen nothing yet"!

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« Reply #2191 on: February 16, 2025, 12:40:16 AM »