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« Reply #2600 on: March 17, 2025, 07:26:42 PM »
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Yes, at the end of a cruise missile.  Ask the Houthis.  Who exactly do you think orders these strikes?  You don't see any risk in some unknown WH bureaucrat having the ability to place the president's signature on official government documents?  What is the military supposed to do if they get a directive from the WH apparently signed by the president ordering them to launch an immediate attack on some country?

The Houthis are being used as a recent example of the President's ability to authorize a military strike in response to a very stupid comment that suggested that president didn't have such authority.  This authority extends to a strike on any country such as Russia that could precipitate WWIII.
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« Reply #2601 on: March 17, 2025, 07:34:20 PM »
Yes, at the end of a cruise missile.  Ask the Houthis.  Who exactly do you think orders these strikes?  You don't see any risk in some unknown WH bureaucrat having the ability to place the president's signature on official government documents?  What is the military supposed to do if they get a directive from the WH apparently signed by the president ordering them to launch an immediate attack on some country?

The Houthis are being used as a recent example of the President's ability to authorize a military strike in response to a very stupid comment that suggested that president didn't have such authority.  This authority extends to a strike on any country such as Russia that could precipitate WWIII.

You don't see any risk in some unknown WH bureaucrat having the ability to place the president's signature on official government documents?

Does that letter go directly to the guy who pushes the button to launch a missile?

What is the military supposed to do if they get a directive from the WH apparently signed by the president ordering them to launch an immediate attack on some country?

Follow procedure and double check.

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« Reply #2602 on: March 17, 2025, 08:31:35 PM »

 "Follow procedure and double check"?  Who are you kidding? That Benedict Arnold aka Mark Millie went ahead on his own and told China he would give them a "heads up" if Trump launched anything in their direction. That's FACT! Procedure? Double Check? Get Real! This is why Trump is weeding these traitors out man by man. Millie should face a full blown Public Court-Martial. 

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« Reply #2603 on: March 17, 2025, 08:54:17 PM »
"Follow procedure and double check"?  Who are you kidding? That Benedict Arnold aka Mark Millie went ahead on his own and told China he would give them a "heads up" if Trump launched anything in their direction. That's FACT! Procedure? Double Check? Get Real! This is why Trump is weeding these traitors out man by man. Millie should face a full blown Public Court-Martial.

You may not understand this, but you are actually confirming my point.

If, as "Richard Smith" seems to be claiming, "an intern or some unknown bureaucrat who controlled Biden's autopen signed the authorization to order the military to bomb some foreign country" the order would be followed, then there wouldn't have been a possibility for someone as Mark Millie to give the heads up to anybody.

if Trump launched anything in their direction

Trump, or any other President before him, doesn't launch anything himself. If that were the case, all that would be required is install a launch button on the President's desk.

In the real world, the President gives an order which is subsequently passed on to the Pentagon and they would follow procedure.

This is why Trump is weeding these traitors out man by man.

You actually mean; getting rid of anybody who isn't a Trump cult member.

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« Reply #2604 on: March 17, 2025, 10:42:11 PM »
Imagine the same CTer/contrarians who believe that high ranking US officials assassinated JFK and framed Oswald trusting that system to allow some unknown bureaucrat to sign official government documents and orders in the name of the president.  That's breathtaking stupidity.  Biden couldn't find his way to the front door if the WH was on fire.  Anyone could have been printing these pardons out and signing them.  We don't have a clue if he authorized all the pardons and orders issued in his name.  There is a very legitimate question as to whether they are valid if he did not sign them. 

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« Reply #2605 on: March 17, 2025, 10:45:37 PM »
"Follow procedure and double check"?  Who are you kidding? That Benedict Arnold aka Mark Millie went ahead on his own and told China he would give them a "heads up" if Trump launched anything in their direction. That's FACT! Procedure? Double Check? Get Real! This is why Trump is weeding these traitors out man by man. Millie should face a full blown Public Court-Martial.

It is incredible stupidity.  Imagine some officers on a submarine or carrier at sea who gets a direct order from the WH with the president's apparent authorization to launch an immediate attack delaying to "double check."  HA HA HA.  Amazing.  The military would be paralyzed if they had to double check every order received.  What does that even mean?  They would pick up the bat phone for a direct line to the president.  Comedy gold. 
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« Reply #2606 on: March 17, 2025, 11:20:35 PM »
Imagine the same CTer/contrarians who believe that high ranking US officials assassinated JFK and framed Oswald trusting that system to allow some unknown bureaucrat to sign official government documents and orders in the name of the president.  That's breathtaking stupidity.  Biden couldn't find his way to the front door if the WH was on fire.  Anyone could have been printing these pardons out and signing them.  We don't have a clue if he authorized all the pardons and orders issued in his name.  There is a very legitimate question as to whether they are valid if he did not sign them.

Imagine the same CTer/contrarians who believe that high ranking US officials assassinated JFK and framed Oswald trusting that system to allow some unknown bureaucrat to sign official government documents and orders in the name of the president.  That's breathtaking stupidity.

Yes, it is, but it is your stupidity. If high ranking US officials were behind the assassination, they wouldn't have written anything on paper or give formal orders. There wouldn't have been a need for some unknown bureaucrat to sign anything and there most certainly wouldn't have been a need for an autopen.

Biden couldn't find his way to the front door if the WH was on fire.

Trump has a habit of leaving the Oval Office before carrying out the official act he came to do there in the first place. He's done that too often by now for it to be a coincidence.

This is the guy who, in a WH commercial for Tesla, couldn't even get the name right..... You see, he loves Tesler!  :D

Anyone could have been printing these pardons out and signing them.  We don't have a clue if he authorized all the pardons and orders issued in his name.

Well, you're right on one point; You don't have a clue. So, why don't you stop making assumptions, because that's all you seem to have, as per usual.

This entire "autopen" crap is just another diversion.

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« Reply #2607 on: March 17, 2025, 11:25:48 PM »
It is incredible stupidity.  Imagine some officers on a submarine or carrier at sea who gets a direct order from the WH with the president's apparent authorization to launch an immediate attack delaying to "double check."  HA HA HA.  Amazing.  The military would be paralyzed if they had to double check every order received.  What does that even mean?  They would pick up the bat phone for a direct line to the president.  Comedy gold.

Imagine some officers on a submarine or carrier at sea who gets a direct order from the WH with the president's apparent authorization to launch an immediate attack delaying to "double check."

They wouldn't have to, because they don't get a letter signed by an autopen! They get launch codes from the Pentagon!

The military would be paralyzed if they had to double check every order received.  What does that even mean?

Well, when yourself write things that you don't know what they mean...... Like I said before; you seem to be living in the 19th century, where orders were in writing and delivered by a courier on a horse.
You probably missed it, but things work a little different now.

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« Reply #2607 on: March 17, 2025, 11:25:48 PM »