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« Reply #2800 on: April 05, 2025, 02:03:03 AM »
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You are completely delusional.

Such a stinging rebuttal as it is so full of specifics.  What are you taking issue with?  That the US played a significant role in liberating "Europe" during WWII?  That the US has paid for the defense of "Europe" since the end of WWII?  That "Europe" imposes tariffs on US imports while charging us for the privilege of having bases to defend them"?  That many such countries are dependent on US money?  Do tell.

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« Reply #2801 on: April 05, 2025, 02:18:50 AM »
Such a stinging rebuttal as it is so full of specifics.  What are you taking issue with?  That the US played a significant role in liberating "Europe" during WWII?  That the US has paid for the defense of "Europe" since the end of WWII?  That "Europe" imposes tariffs on US imports while charging us for the privilege of having bases to defend them"?  That many such countries are dependent on US money?  Do tell.

I don't debate fake arguments. There is absolutely nothing good about what he is doing or has done in the last 60+ days.
It is a train wreck on the way, that is not going to end well for anybody.
 Thumb1: ...and you are in a F-n' cult.
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« Reply #2802 on: April 05, 2025, 09:47:40 AM »
Exposing the USA hating among the leftists is enlightening.  The US liberated "Europe" from the Nazis.  The US has paid for the national defense of "Europe" for 70 years and counting.  In return, "Europe" has imposed tariffs on the US and charged the US for the privilege of defending them.  Now they are crying a river about tariffs.  LOL.   It's butt hurting time for the socialists who have stolen America blind.  They have built their entire fake economies around the US paying for their socialist utopia.  That is now ending.

Such a stinging rebuttal as it is so full of specifics.  What are you taking issue with?  That the US played a significant role in liberating "Europe" during WWII?  That the US has paid for the defense of "Europe" since the end of WWII?  That "Europe" imposes tariffs on US imports while charging us for the privilege of having bases to defend them"?  That many such countries are dependent on US money?  Do tell.

The US liberated "Europe" from the Nazis.

That the US played a significant role in liberating "Europe" during WWII? 

You do understand that there is a massive difference between these two statements, right? Why are you being so dishonest.

Yes, the US played a part in liberating Europe during WWII, but they most certainly didn't do it alone. The Russians were earlier in Berlin then the Allied Forces!


The US has paid for the national defense of "Europe" for 70 years and counting.

That the US has paid for the defense of "Europe" since the end of WWII?

No it hasn't. The US was in a cold war with Russia and needed bases in Europe to place their nuclear weapons. There were and still are US army bases in Europe.
Obviously, if you are going to put a continent in harm's way by placing nuclear weapons there, you're not only have to pay for it but also defend those countries.

Trump wants Greenland for his own purposes and not to defend them and the same applied and still applies to Europe.
Just like Ascension Island in the middle of the Atlantic and Midway in the middle of the Pacific, there is also an American base in the Sierra Tramuntana of the island Mallorca which is used for monitoring ship movements and radio traffic in the Mediterranean. They are not there to "defend" the island or Spain. Europe is the US's first line of defense. It is as simple as that! 

Everything the US does outside it's own borders is done in their own interest and now Trump wants to get paid for it. It's pathetic!

That "Europe" imposes tariffs on US imports while charging us for the privilege of having bases to defend them"?

Did you expect Europe to pay the US for putting it in harm's way? Do you actually believe that Castro paid the Russians for placing nuclear weapons on Cuba as they tried and failed to do in 1962?
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« Reply #2803 on: April 05, 2025, 06:10:27 PM »
In which we learn that the Cold War was the fault of the US and that "Europe" had no interest in it.  Just innocent bystanders.  LOL.   It was the US putting "Europe" in harm's way by having bases there to protect it from Russia.  The same Russia that leftists now go on and on about threatening "Europe" when trying to justify the expenditure of billions by US taxpayers to fund the war in Ukraine.  Wow. 

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« Reply #2804 on: April 05, 2025, 07:54:59 PM »
In which we learn that the Cold War was the fault of the US and that "Europe" had no interest in it.  Just innocent bystanders.  LOL.   It was the US putting "Europe" in harm's way by having bases there to protect it from Russia.  The same Russia that leftists now go on and on about threatening "Europe" when trying to justify the expenditure of billions by US taxpayers to fund the war in Ukraine.  Wow.

In which we learn that the Cold War was the fault of the US and that "Europe" had no interest in it.  Just innocent bystanders.

And where exactly did I say that, or is it just another strawman from the king of strawmen?

The cold war was the result of the fact that Russia and the US both wanted to expand or at least retain a sphere of influence in Europe.

It was the US putting "Europe" in harm's way by having bases there to protect it from Russia.

Bases like Rammstein were not build to protect Europe from Russia. They were build for the same reason Russia tried to place nuclear weapons on Cuba!

The same Russia that leftists now go on and on about threatening "Europe" when trying to justify the expenditure of billions by US taxpayers to fund the war in Ukraine.  Wow.

Thank you for making my point! If the US was really interested in defending the Ukraine they could have played a far bigger part then they actually have done.
The Europeans put far more money in Ukraine than the US, regardless of what the orange liar is falsely claiming.
The only thing Trump is really after are the rare earth minerals. He couldn't care less about anything else.
He already told Putin that he would be against Ukraine joining NATO and it's pretty obvious that he also wouldn't object against Russia taking over a substantial part of Ukraine.
That's a hell of a way to "defend" a country in Europe!

You really need to get off your high horse because the truth of the matter is that the US has been a bully, interfering in other countries, for a very long time.
The Vietnam war, the Korean war and the Gulf war all served one single purpose; maintaining influence in parts of the world where they had no business being.
And of course, just like every other insecure bully, the US constantly pats itself on the back and tells itself it's the greatest country and democracy in the world. U-S-A, U-S-A..... pfffff

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« Reply #2805 on: April 05, 2025, 09:02:05 PM »
I don't debate fake arguments. There is absolutely nothing good about what he is doing or has done in the last 60+ days.
It is a train wreck on the way, that is not going to end well for anybody.
 Thumb1: ...and you are in a F-n' cult.

How are things going to end if nothing is done and things are simply allowed to continue as they have been for decades?  The US is $38 trillion and counting in debt.  It cannot afford to fund its obligations including Social Security for much longer.  The money has been blown by establishment politicians like Old Joe on waste, corruption, and endless wars.  What should be done under those circumstances?  Stick our heads in the sand and let it all go down or maybe try to reform the system before it implodes?  Hating Trump and opposing anything he does because it is Trump isn't going to do it. 

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« Reply #2806 on: April 05, 2025, 09:16:03 PM »
Another fake leftist story.  They don't understand that this closes a potential loophole in the tariffs.

Those damn penguins are always exploiting loopholes.

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« Reply #2807 on: April 05, 2025, 09:20:48 PM »
It's refreshing to see honesty about how much the leftists hate the US.  Imagine equating the US efforts in "Europe" during the Cold War with those of the USSR as though they were the same.  The US was occupying "Europe" in the same way as the USSR in the leftist mind to promote its self-interest.  HA HA HA.  That level of hatred for the US is unreal.  Americans paid to rebuild "Europe" after WWII.  Americans paid to defend "Europe" from an evil totalitarian system of government that oppressed eastern "European" countries for decades.  Ask those who lived in places like East Germany, Hungary, and Romania how life was like under the Russians in comparison to France and West Germany.   The US has paid to defend "Europe" from Russia for the last 70 years.  You don't have Russia invading those countries that the US pays to defend under NATO.  For all of this, "Europe" imposes tariffs and unfair trading practices to keep the US from selling goods there.   Their economies are largely depending on the US.   

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« Reply #2807 on: April 05, 2025, 09:20:48 PM »