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« Reply #2880 on: April 09, 2025, 04:51:09 PM »
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  "Certain goods"? Even You are unsure of what Specific Products would be subject to a "tariff". The USA is the Largest Consumer Nation in the World. All the other countries in the World have to have access to the Purchasing Power of the USA. It's that simple and Trump is using this Massive Leverage. Trump at heart is an Isolationist. Military Dominance + Energy Independence + The Dome Defense. Bottom Line, the other countries need the USA far more than the USA needs them. Indisputable, and as the other nations begin taking a knee, it will soon become obvious to everyone. The Tree Huggers too, (lumber).

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« Reply #2881 on: April 09, 2025, 06:37:36 PM »
  "Certain goods"? Even You are unsure of what Specific Products would be subject to a "tariff". The USA is the Largest Consumer Nation in the World. All the other countries in the World have to have access to the Purchasing Power of the USA. It's that simple and Trump is using this Massive Leverage. Trump at heart is an Isolationist. Military Dominance + Energy Independence + The Dome Defense. Bottom Line, the other countries need the USA far more than the USA needs them. Indisputable, and as the other nations begin taking a knee, it will soon become obvious to everyone. The Tree Huggers too, (lumber).

Even You are unsure of what Specific Products would be subject to a "tariff".

How in the world can I know where every product imported into the USA comes from?

The USA is the Largest Consumer Nation in the World. All the other countries in the World have to have access to the Purchasing Power of the USA.   

Yeah, something along those lines is exactly what the British said about Brexit. It's obviously a smaller market, but they also figured that other countries would have no other option but to trade with them.
It blew up in their face.

Bottom Line, the other countries need the USA far more than the USA needs them.

And there it is!

You are completely ignorant to the fact that if suppliers are priced out of the US market by tariffs, they will look for other markets to deal with.

Canada is already talking to the EU and the Chinese are expected to increase their exports to the EU.

Indisputable, and as the other nations begin taking a knee, it will soon become obvious to everyone.

Let's just wait and see. Of course countries will try to negotiate a deal, because that would be the best solution, but if Trump's demands are too excessive the larger countries and trading blocks will walk away.
There is no way that they will allow Trump's gamble to pay off because that would be a bad outcome when dealing with a bully who does not only want to rule the US but the world. Ain't going to happen!

Just wait and see what will happen when US companies have to shut down with people being fired left, right and center, because other countries do not want to buy US products anymore and importers are unable to pay the tariffs for goods coming to the US. It has already started. The EU has decided to invest massively in a new defense industry and Marco Rubio is already complaining that they won't be buying US weapon systems. Next up, I imagine, will be cancellations of orders for airplanes.....
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« Reply #2882 on: April 09, 2025, 06:49:01 PM »
Trump just announced an increase in tariffs for China to 125%... he is getting desperate because the Chinese are not going to play his game!

Even Musk is turning against him.....

And now, the White House announced a reduction of the tariffs to 10% and a freeze of 90 days for 75 countries.

He has overplayed his hand and has now blinked for the second time!
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« Reply #2883 on: April 09, 2025, 08:47:43 PM »
The Trump cycle:

1. Announce big tariffs.

2. Belatedly realize this won't work.

3. Calls off the tariffs.

4. Announce they will go back to tariffs in 30 or 90 days.

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

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« Reply #2884 on: April 09, 2025, 10:26:34 PM »
The Trump cycle:

1. Announce big tariffs.

2. Belatedly realize this won't work.

3. Calls off the tariffs.

4. Announce they will go back to tariffs in 30 or 90 days.

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

You forgot the part where most countries came begging for a deal.  Except for our enemies like China and Canada.  Even "Europe" wants a deal.  That will even the playing field in most instances and undo some of the disaster unleashed by Bill Clinton that wiped manufacturing jobs off the map. U-S-A, U-S-A.   

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« Reply #2885 on: April 09, 2025, 11:02:27 PM »
  "Certain goods"? Even You are unsure of what Specific Products would be subject to a "tariff". The USA is the Largest Consumer Nation in the World. All the other countries in the World have to have access to the Purchasing Power of the USA. It's that simple and Trump is using this Massive Leverage. Trump at heart is an Isolationist. Military Dominance + Energy Independence + The Dome Defense. Bottom Line, the other countries need the USA far more than the USA needs them. Indisputable, and as the other nations begin taking a knee, it will soon become obvious to everyone. The Tree Huggers too, (lumber).

Do you still actually believe Trump is playing 4D chess? Do you also think Navarro and his made-up alter ego, Ron Vara, are economic geniuses who know better than everyone else?

Trump's professor at Wharton said that Heir Drumpf was the dumbest student he ever taught and to this day Trump still doesn't understand what a tariff is. That dumbass still thinks it's a tax on foreign countries. None of his sycophants have had the guts to call him out on this; they refuse to believe he could be that stupid. Since his first term, he has repeatedly bragged about how his tariffs on China raked in billions. His severe learning disability and Dunning Kruger syndrome prevents him from grasping and accepting the concept of tariffs. He refuses to acknowledge that, as Kamala pointed out, they function like a sales tax on U.S. consumers who buy foreign goods. Tariffs are intended to encourage consumers to buy domestically by raising the cost of foreign products. Yet Trump believes that China pays these tariffs. And you supporters think he’s some kind of negotiating genius playing 4D chess to make other countries bend the knee.

Riddle me this comrade: why didn't he impose any tariffs on Russia while he slapped them hard on Ukraine? Trumputin claimed he didn’t want to interfere with peace negotiations. His MAGAT followers are either more retarded than he is, or they are Russian Nazi trolls, or perhaps both.

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« Reply #2886 on: April 09, 2025, 11:07:27 PM »
You forgot the part where most countries came begging for a deal.  Except for our enemies like China and Canada.  Even "Europe" wants a deal.  That will even the playing field in most instances and undo some of the disaster unleashed by Bill Clinton that wiped manufacturing jobs off the map. U-S-A, U-S-A.

Except for our enemies like China and Canada.

So, now Canada is an enemy?

Even "Europe" wants a deal.

Like Canadians, Europeans are reasonable people. If they can prevent a crisis, sure they want a deal. But not at any cost!

That will even the playing field in most instances and undo some of the disaster unleashed by Bill Clinton that wiped manufacturing jobs off the map. 

Just how delusional can you be? Presidents don't have the means or power to prevent a company to move to another country, where labor costs are lower.
It's economics and shareholder profits that cause a company to move production to another country. And tariffs won't bring them back.

Trump is playing a very dangerous game and he is losing big time. China doesn't play along, Canadians boycot US products, Canada and the EU are discussing alternative deals and China is moving it's export to the EU.

That's why Trump went eyeball to eyeball and blinked (note the Kennedy reference). He has found out that things are not going the way he wanted, so he is backing down....

Reduction to a basic rate tariff of 10% and a 90 days waiting period, within a matter of days after his presentation in the White House gardens. What a joke!

U-S-A, U-S-A.

All the way into a depression.....
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« Reply #2887 on: April 09, 2025, 11:52:35 PM »

  You guys LOST! Trump WON! Live with it.

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