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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2021, 11:21:35 PM »
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All of this has been argued to death, but here are a couple links.
Oswald owned the rifle:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/12/oswald-ordered-rifle.html
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Regardless of the fact that Oswald technically did order a 36-inch Italian carbine, per the words written in the February 1963 American Rifleman magazine ad that Oswald used to order the rifle (pictured below), Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago shipped a 40-inch rifle with serial number C2766 on it to "A. Hidell" on March 20, 1963.

A company doesn't have what you ordered so they send something else instead? Not an acceptable explanation at all.
The company will send a statement advising you that what you ordered is not available but has an alternative stock if you wish.
Especially a firearm.
Also there is the still unexplained situation where Oswald [never to be separated from his supposed precious rifle] somehow ships it back from a New Orleans location with Ruth Paine ...not telling her or Marina about the concealed cargo...but yet it arrives voila' back in Irving-- covering itself up with a blanket, remaining snug until Lee [without even asking it's location] recovers it [un-noticed by all others] on a garage floor.
All that the nutters can come up with.. is maybe, perhaps, coulda, shoulda, woulda speculation and conjecture and none of it can hold even one drop of water.

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2021, 11:21:35 PM »


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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2021, 01:05:26 AM »

A company doesn't have what you ordered so they send something else instead?

Yes it was quite common for companies to substitute a very similar item in the pre-Internet age.

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2021, 01:40:57 AM »
Yes it was quite common for companies to substitute a very similar item in the pre-Internet age.

What's the evidence to support such a claim?

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2021, 01:49:42 AM »
From that page---
 
A company doesn't have what you ordered so they send something else instead? Not an acceptable explanation at all.
The company will send a statement advising you that what you ordered is not available but has an alternative stock if you wish.
Especially a firearm.
Not all that long ago, Mytton posted a copy of the Carcano entry in the Klein's ad from the April, '63 issue or American Rifleman. The April issue would have been published at the beginning of March, so this advertisement reflects what Klein's was offering at the time the A Hidell order was fulfilled. In this ad, C20-T750 refers to the 40" FC rather than the 36" TS rifle advertised as C20-T750. Oswald got exactly what he ordered, if not exactly what he thought he ordered.




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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2021, 02:22:12 AM »
Not all that long ago, Mytton posted a copy of the Carcano entry in the Klein's ad from the April, '63 issue or American Rifleman. The April issue would have been published at the beginning of March, so this advertisement reflects what Klein's was offering at the time the A Hidell order was fulfilled. In this ad, C20-T750 refers to the 40" FC rather than the 36" TS rifle advertised as C20-T750. Oswald got exactly what he ordered, if not exactly what he thought he ordered.



Except of course that Department 358 on the envelope indicated that the order form came from an earlier advertisment and most certainly not from the April issue.

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2021, 06:04:23 AM »
Except of course that Department 358 on the envelope indicated that the order form came from an earlier advertisment and most certainly not from the April issue.
As usual...an ounce of guesses for a tanker full of questions.
So Ruth lied and she knew about the rifle all of the time?...Even tucked it nicely away on her garage floor.  Thumb1:
BTW...how many gun magazines were found in Oswald's possessions? 

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2021, 06:14:46 AM »
  JFK's intentions regarding Vietnam:
https://americandiplomacy.web.unc.edu/2020/11/without-dallas-john-f-kennedy-and-the-vietnam-war/
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What if the most famous murder in history had not taken place on November 22, 1963? With a life and a presidency ended prematurely by an assassin’s bullets, there has been an understandable impulse on the part of historians to consider what would have happened to Kennedy had he lived beyond Dallas.   
Had the action not happened in Dallas...It would have happened in Los Angeles or New York or even in Washington D C. Kennedy was a marked man..doomed to go in advance of another election...It was just in his cards.

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2021, 06:19:42 AM »
As usual...an ounce of guesses for a tanker full of questions.
So Ruth lied and she knew about the rifle all of the time?...Even tucked it nicely away on her garage floor.  Thumb1:
BTW...how many gun magazines were found in Oswald's possessions?

And he apparently owned no more than three bullets since no additional bullets were found in his belongings...

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Re: Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2021, 06:19:42 AM »