Conclusions or assumptions

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's have a closer look at the evidence that allegedly links Oswald to the rifle found at the TSBD.

One the one hand there is the Klein's paperwork. The only documents that tentatively link Oswald to the rifle ordered at Klein's are a photocopy of a filled out order form, ordering a rifle in name of A. Hidell, a photocopy of an envelope and a photocopy of a money order that may or may not be linked to that particular order form. It should be noted that the only thing really linking any of these photocopies to Oswald is the opinion of an FBI questioned documents expert.

One the other hand there are the BY photos, which were allegedly taken with a camera that was not found at Ruth Paine's house during the two searches conducted by DPD officers on 11/22/63 and 11/23/63 and was handed in to the authorities by Robert Oswald after (iirc) he had received it from Ruth Paine. There are all sorts of strange things going on with these photos, such as Michael Paine's denial that he knew Oswald had a rifle and yet he admitted in a TV interview some many years later that he had actually seen one of the photos shortly after they had been taken. And then there was the HQ photo that the DeMohrenschildts found in their storage room in 1967, with Russian writing on the back that could never be traced to anybody.

So here are two questions for the LNs.

1. Let's suppose that Oswald did in fact write the orderform, envelope and money order, how does that justify the conclusion that he ordered the rifle for himself and actually received it?

2. Let's assume that the BY photos are indeed authentic, how do they justify the conclusion that Oswald is holding a rifle that is his property?

These are not trick questions. I really want to find out if any LN can provide a reasonable and plausible justification for the conclusions that Oswald ordered the rifle for himself, actually received it and that he owned it when the BY photos were taken.

To be honest, I expect not much more than diversions, logical fallacies and ad homs, but I am hoping at least one LN is genuinely willing and able to provide an honest answer to my questions.

[John Iacoletti]

Crickets.  They just parrot "Oswald's rifle" without even thinking about it.

I think it would be most instructive to examine the entire original Klein's microfilm (if it were not "missing").  We could see if any of the  other orders had serial numbers handwritten in, and if so, if there were other C2766s.  We could also see if other orders had the payment instrument photocopied as well as the order coupon and envelope.

Or it could just be an unfortunate coincidence that it is missing...

[Martin Weidmann]

Crickets.  They just parrot "Oswald's rifle" without even thinking about it.

I think it would be most instructive to examine the entire original Klein's microfilm (if it were not "missing").  We could see if any of the  other orders had serial numbers handwritten in, and if so, if there were other C2766s.  We could also see if other orders had the payment instrument photocopied as well as the order coupon and envelope.

Or it could just be an unfortunate coincidence that it is missing...

Crickets.  They just parrot "Oswald's rifle" without even thinking about it.

Yes, very sad indeed.

Mind you, it should not come as a total surprise because even the WC itself couldn't provide answers for such basic questions as this. They dealt with them by not dealing with them and just ignoring all other possibilities except for that Oswald ordered, received and owned the rifle. The circular logic they apply in their report is shocking.

[Jerry Freeman]

March 12, 1963: Ruth Paine visits Marina at the new apartment. Also that day, LHO
orders a rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago.
March 20, 1963: The rifle and the revolver are shipped. [On the same day?]
March 25, 1963: LHO picks up the weapons. [A rifle at right shoulder arms and a pistol in his belt  ]
March 31, 1963: Marina takes the infamous "Backyard Photos" of LHO.
April 1, 1963: LHO is fired by Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm
Chronicled from the accounts in the Report.

Using the name of A. J. Hidell, Oswald had ordered a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver from Los Angeles on a form which he dated January 27. On March 12, he ordered a rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago under the name of A. Hidell.1010 Oswald used the name "Alek James Hidell" on identification cards which he probably produced at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall. One of his fellow employees taught him various photographic techniques, which he could have used to prepare not only these cards, but also the samples of his work which he sent to various organizations.1011

Both weapons were shipped on March 20.1012 Oswald kept the rifle in a small storeroom at the Neely Street apartment. He spent long periods of time in the storeroom, which he told Marina she was not to enter.1013 He told her that he intended to use the rifle for hunt-

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ing 1014 and that he practiced with it. She saw him leave with it once, and clean it several times.1015 He also posed for two pictures, taken by Marina in the backyard of the Neely apartment, in which he held his rifle and copies of the Worker and the Militant and the revolver was strapped to his belt. He gave one of the pictures to his wife and asked her to keep it for June.1016
[where did he get the holster?]
Over the weekend of March 9-10, Oswald photographed the alley which runs behind the home of Gen. Edwin Walker, and probably at about the same time he photographed the rear of Walker's home and a nearby railroad track and right-of-way.1017 He prepared and studied a notebook in which he outlined a plan to shoot General Walker......

...........[taking presumed aim at Walker -Oswald allegedly fired and subsequently missed]

When Oswald told Marina what he had done, she became angry and made him promise never to repeat such an act

          

[Martin Weidmann]

Jerry Freeman "Skeptic"      

And what are you, except for unable or unwilling to answer the two basic questions asked in the opening post?

[Jerry Freeman]

And what are you, except for unable or unwilling to answer the two basic questions asked in the opening post?

He can't find it yet [in his copy of the Report]

Using the name of A. J. Hidell, Oswald had ordered... a rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods....

So----Oswald used the Hidell name so that there would be absolutely no way to trace that order to him

[Jerry Freeman]

After shooting at Walker, Oswald left with the rifle. After shooting at Kennedy, the option to quietly leave with the rifle was no longer there. Oswald then left the building as quickly as he could; he was in flight from having committed murder.

What does that have to do with Hidell?
See the guy with the rolling eyes?----> That's Mr Skeptic. 

Oswald used the name "Alek James Hidell" on identification cards which he probably produced at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.

When the Report has no real proof of anything, the word 'probably' is used.

[Jon Banks]

That's not a LN claim I'm familiar with. After shooting at Walker, Oswald left with the rifle. After shooting at Kennedy, the option to quietly leave with the rifle was no longer there. Oswald then left the building as quickly as he could; he was in flight from having committed murder.

One thing that has always bugged me about the Walker incident:

How did Oswald get to and back home from Walker's house carrying a rifle without being noticed by anyone? Walker's home was miles away from where Oswald lived and it's broadly assumed that Lee didn't know how to drive. Did he travel on foot? Did someone give him a ride? Did he take a rifle on a public bus without drawing attention to himself?

There are also conflicting stories about what Oswald did with the rifle immediately after the Walker shooting. I think Marina testified that Lee had buried the rifle somewhere near Walker's home and went back to retrieve it later. But that story conflicted with the DeMorenschildts testimony that they saw a rifle in the Oswald home immediately after the shooting.