Why classify information?

[Martin Weidmann]

The excerpt quoted from Scibor's testimony is referring to Waldman exhibit  4 (part of the shipment record of the Carcanos received from Crescent Firearms), not Waldman exhibit 7 (the Klein's "order blank"). If we properly quote Scibor's testimony, we get this:

Mr. BELIN. I notice the date and the notations in the upper lefthand corner, RR-1243; underneath that, the date 2-22-63. Do you know what that has reference to?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes; the "RR" stands for receiving record No. 1243, and that merchandise was booked or actually received by our receiving-department on 2-22-63.
Mr. BELIN. Does it show from whom it was received?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes; Crescent Firearms.
Mr. BELIN. And underneath the "Crescent Firearms," what does it say?
Mr. SCIBOR. Italian Carcano T38, 6.5 Italian caliber rifle.
Mr. BELIN. Now, there are some notations in the upper righthand corner, what does that have reference to?
Mr. SCIBOR. Those are notations strictly for the receiving department. I have the men back there keep these in rotation so that I can always fill--in the same rotation as they come out of.
Mr. BELIN. And did you do any of that writing at all?
Mr. SCIBOR. No.
Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not these serial numbers are assigned by people under your supervision?
Mr. SCIBOR. Repeat that.
Mr. BELIN. Well, do you have any supervision or control over the people making the entries on the serial numbers and your control numbers?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes.

The "RR-1243" and "2-22-63" are found on Waldman 4, but not Waldman 7.

And where is the Hidell reference?

[Mitch Todd]

And where is the Hidell reference?

You don't know?

[Jack Nessan]

Yes, you stand corrected about the claim that there was any kind of match, let alone to the exclusion of all other rifles. It just didn't happen. At best they could have matched the shells to the rifle, but that's it.

Do you believe the assassination took place earlier and was just staged to look like it took place on the 22nd?

What in the world are you babbling about?

The rifle found on the 6th floor was found to have had LHO's palm print on the barrel.

That's a gross misrepresentation of the facts. The rifle found at the TSBD was examined by the FBI lab in Washington within 24 hours after the crime. They found nothing, not even a trace of a print.

Then, about a week later, Lt Day suddenly produced an evidence card allegedly containing Oswald's palmprint, which he claimed  he had taken of the rifle on 11/22/63 and then kept it, without mentioning it to anyone for a whole week.

The rifle that was used to assassinate JFK.

And how do you know that the rifle found on the 6th floor was in fact the one used to assassinate JFK?

Bullets or bullet fragments can not be matched to any weapon and despite your claim they never were. Shells can be matched, but the fact that Fritz compromised the crime scene by picking up shells and then throwing them back, means that if the rifle was planted so could the shells be.

Now, before you get this wrong; I am not claiming that the rifle and shells were planted. I am merely saying that it is possible that they were, which, by itself, makes it impossible to claim with any kind of certainty that the rifle was actually used in the assassination.

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others". LHO's palm print was found on the barrel of the rifle discovered on the 6th floor. LHO's prints were found on the bag discovered in the SN. LHO's prints were on the boxes used to make the rifle rest. LHO's PO Box was used as the delivery point for the rifle. The alias used to purchase the rifle was on an indentity card in his possession when arrested. LHO was known to possess this rifle and had already attempted to murder another individual earlier. LHO has no alibi during the assassination and also told Postal Inspector Holmes he came down to the second floor after the assassination.

Your answer to all this information is just you don't know but you don't think so. It is kind of like the Adams and Styles nonsense where you unwittingly and unknowingly produced a WC statement from Officer Barnett that proved Adams and Styles did not leave as quickly as they thought, and you were just wrong about all of it.

[Martin Weidmann]

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others". LHO's palm print was found on the barrel of the rifle discovered on the 6th floor. LHO's prints were found on the bag discovered in the SN. LHO's prints were on the boxes used to make the rifle rest. LHO's PO Box was used as the delivery point for the rifle. The alias used to purchase the rifle was on an indentity card in his possession when arrested. LHO was known to possess this rifle and had already attempted to murder another individual earlier. LHO has no alibi during the assassination and also told Postal Inspector Holmes he came down to the second floor after the assassination.

Your answer to all this information is just you don't know but you don't think so. It is kind of like the Adams and Styles nonsense where you unwittingly and unknowingly produced a WC statement from Officer Barnett that proved Adams and Styles did not leave as quickly as they thought, and you were just wrong about all of it.

It is kind of like the Adams and Styles nonsense where you unwittingly and unknowingly produced a WC statement from Officer Barnett that proved Adams and Styles did not leave as quickly as they thought, and you were just wrong about all of it.


Hey fool, when I am wrong about something, I admit and accept it. I misread the date on one document, which was only a minor part of the story. So, what? The remainder of the story still stands to this date. What do you call somebody who dismisses an entire story out of hand just because one minor detail was wrong?.....

As for the remainder of your post, you sound like every other LN who parrots BS without questioning any of it.

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others".

No ballistic expert from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry ever identified the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others". But feel free to prove me wong, by providing one report, just one, in which that claim is made.

LHO's palm print was found on the barrel of the rifle discovered on the 6th floor.

Repeating a bogus claim doesn't make it magically come true.

LHO's prints were found on the bag discovered in the SN. LHO's prints were on the boxes used to make the rifle rest. LHO's PO Box was used as the delivery point for the rifle. The alias used to purchase the rifle was on an indentity card in his possession when arrested. LHO was known to possess this rifle and had already attempted to murder another individual earlier. LHO has no alibi during the assassination and also told Postal Inspector Holmes he came down to the second floor after the assassination.

I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of these superficial claims as there would be no point. You will just repeat the same crap next time around anyway. The propensity for a rush to judgment as you display here is beyond belief.

[Jack Nessan]

It is kind of like the Adams and Styles nonsense where you unwittingly and unknowingly produced a WC statement from Officer Barnett that proved Adams and Styles did not leave as quickly as they thought, and you were just wrong about all of it.


Hey fool, when I am wrong about something, I admit and accept it. I misread the date on one document, which was only a minor part of the story. So, what? The remainder of the story still stands to this date. What do you call somebody who dismisses an entire story out of hand just because one minor detail was wrong?.....

As for the remainder of your post, you sound like every other LN who parrots BS without questioning any of it.

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others".

No ballistic expert from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry ever identified the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others". But feel free to prove me wong, by providing one report, just one, in which that claim is made.

LHO's palm print was found on the barrel of the rifle discovered on the 6th floor.

Repeating a bogus claim doesn't make it magically come true.

LHO's prints were found on the bag discovered in the SN. LHO's prints were on the boxes used to make the rifle rest. LHO's PO Box was used as the delivery point for the rifle. The alias used to purchase the rifle was on an indentity card in his possession when arrested. LHO was known to possess this rifle and had already attempted to murder another individual earlier. LHO has no alibi during the assassination and also told Postal Inspector Holmes he came down to the second floor after the assassination.

I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of these superficial claims as there would be no point. You will just repeat the same crap next time around anyway. The propensity for a rush to judgment as you display here is beyond belief.

You have never admitted to anything and you are not admitting now. This posted nonsense has nothing to do with Officer Barnett's actions. Report? There was Barnett's testimony about his actions and movements post shots and his actions were completely contrary to your belief in Adams and Styles early departure from their office. The best part was you posted it and you did not realize that fact. Now it is to be seen if you admit you were wrong about the rifle.

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The rifle found on the 6th floor was fired from the 6th floor window and caused all the wounds.

There is so little actual physical evidence of the assassination.  There is a bullet, bullet fragments, shells, and a rifle. How could anyone know so little about them yet be constantly posting like you are an expert?

Frazier stating the bullet and bullet fragments, beyond any doubt, came from the rifle found on the 6th floor. The HSCA firearms experts agreed. I thought everyone knew this.

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this? Is this a bullet fragment, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. This consists of a piece of the jacket portion of a bullet from the nose area and a piece of the lead core from under the jacket.
Mr. EISENBERG - How were you able to conclude it is part of the nose area?
Mr. FRAZIER - Because of the rifling marks which extend part way up the side, and then have the characteristic leading edge impressions and no longer continue along the bullet, and by the fact that the bullet has a rounded contour to it which has not been mutilated.
Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

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Mr. McCLOY - And you would say the same thing of Commission Exhibit 399, the bullet 399 was fired from that rifle?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - And the fragment 567---
Mr. FRAZIER - 567, the one we have just finished.
Mr. McCLOY - Was likewise a portion of a bullet fired from that rifle?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - You have no doubt about any of those?
Mr. FRAZIER - None whatsoever.

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Merely stating your opinion that these facts are false is meaningless. They are all exhibits published in the WC Report.

[Martin Weidmann]

You have never admitted to anything and you are not admitting now. This posted nonsense has nothing to do with Officer Barnett's actions. Report? There was Barnett's testimony about his actions and movements post shots and his actions were completely contrary to your belief in Adams and Styles early departure from their office. The best part was you posted it and you did not realize that fact. Now it is to be seen if you admit you were wrong about the rifle.

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The rifle found on the 6th floor was fired from the 6th floor window and caused all the wounds.

There is so little actual physical evidence of the assassination.  There is a bullet, bullet fragments, shells, and a rifle. How could anyone know so little about them yet be constantly posting like you are an expert?

Frazier stating the bullet and bullet fragments, beyond any doubt, came from the rifle found on the 6th floor. The HSCA firearms experts agreed. I thought everyone knew this.

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this? Is this a bullet fragment, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. This consists of a piece of the jacket portion of a bullet from the nose area and a piece of the lead core from under the jacket.
Mr. EISENBERG - How were you able to conclude it is part of the nose area?
Mr. FRAZIER - Because of the rifling marks which extend part way up the side, and then have the characteristic leading edge impressions and no longer continue along the bullet, and by the fact that the bullet has a rounded contour to it which has not been mutilated.
Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

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Mr. McCLOY - And you would say the same thing of Commission Exhibit 399, the bullet 399 was fired from that rifle?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - And the fragment 567---
Mr. FRAZIER - 567, the one we have just finished.
Mr. McCLOY - Was likewise a portion of a bullet fired from that rifle?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - You have no doubt about any of those?
Mr. FRAZIER - None whatsoever.

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Merely stating your opinion that these facts are false is meaningless. They are all exhibits published in the WC Report.

You have never admitted to anything and you are not admitting now. This posted nonsense has nothing to do with Officer Barnett's actions. Report? There was Barnett's testimony about his actions and movements post shots and his actions were completely contrary to your belief in Adams and Styles early departure from their office. The best part was you posted it and you did not realize that fact. Now it is to be seen if you admit you were wrong about the rifle.

Barnett's testimony about his actions did in no way prove that Adams and Styles did not leave the 4th floor immediately after the shots. I have no idea what you are babbling about.

Merely stating your opinion that these facts are false is meaningless. They are all exhibits published in the WC Report.

I'm not going to say they are false, although the inclusion of them in the WC report most certainly doesn't automatically make them facts. What you show me here is the opinion of an FBI expert who claims that in his opinion CE399 and bullet fragment CE 567 were shot through the same barrel.

Much can be said about the evidentiary problems associated with CE399 and CE567, but that's for another day.

You claimed that "numerous experts" identified the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others".

To which I replied;

No ballistic expert from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry ever identified the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others". But feel free to prove me wong, by providing one report, just one, in which that claim is made.

Now please point me to where in his testimony Frazier makes that claim.

[John Iacoletti]

The rifle found on the 6th floor was fired from the 6th floor window and caused all the wounds.

 

How do you know what rifle caused the wounds?  How do you know that either CE399 or CE567 went through Kennedy or Connally?

[Bill Chapman]

No need to prove ownership of any damn rifle
At the end of the day, 10th & Patton is the epicentre, the ground-zero if you will, of the entire assassination


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