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Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2022, 07:06:44 PM »
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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2022, 07:08:48 PM »
Amazing what an LN will do to twist and turn something to benefit his case.

Frazier is (and has always been) adamant about his description of the bag and he doesn't know if there was a rifle in it or not.

It is a simple as that. Everything else is just your bias at work.

It's 58 years after the fact and an LN is still struggling to somehow increase the size of the bag so that a rifle can fit in it.   :D

Frazier certainly wasn’t being adamant about his estimate of the size of the bag when he stated that he didn’t know whether or not the rifle was in it shortly after being reminded about the conflicting lengths.

Online David Von Pein

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2022, 07:43:03 PM »
There were two window strips removed for potential fingerprint analysis. Initially it was the one on the right of the "sniper window". It was removed during Day's absence sometime between 2 and 3pm. It was broken into a larger piece and smaller piece at the weak point near a nail hole.

Please provide some documents/links for this claim about the window strips. I cannot find anything in the WC testimonies of Detective Montgomery or Detective Johnson or Captain Fritz or Lieutenant J.C. Day concerning the removal of any "window strips" or "window sills" from the Book Depository Building.

And I can find nothing about that topic in the many documents that are available at the Dallas Municipal Archives site or the Portal To Texas History site.

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These pieces were entered into evidence by Montgomery and Johnson.

Links please. After multiple searches today, I can find no links or documents relating to such items. So your assistance in finding them would be appreciated.

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Montgomery had the larger piece in the bag and Johnson the smaller piece in the bottle.

I seriously doubt that was the case. If it had been, why didn't Montgomery or Johnson say anything about transporting these pieces of the window sill in their WC testimony or in their DPD reports? No such thing is mentioned by either officer.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339549/m1/1/?q=marvin%20johnson

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337898/m1/3/?q=l.d.%20montgomery

The record indicates that L.D. Montgomery carried ONLY the long paper bag (which became CE142) out of the building, while his partner, Detective Marvin Johnson, carried Bonnie Ray Williams' Dr. Pepper bottle and Bonnie Ray's lunch sack (plus, as we can see in the first photo below, Johnson also has with him an empty cigarette package).

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184773/m1/1/

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184770/m1/1/

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When Day returned around 3pm he realised the wrong strip had been removed. .... When Day returned he organised the left hand window strip removed. It was intact and also appears in the documentation.

Can you provide any link/document? Thanks.
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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2022, 08:14:20 PM »
I always thought Johnson was using a screw driver to carry the bottle.  To me, that looks like a screw driver.

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2022, 08:32:23 PM »
Or March 24.

Ah, I see.

You started with this explanation:

"the "3-15-64" date is obviously an error. It should say March 23rd"

Now your explanation is:

the "3-15-64" date is obviously an error. It should say either March 23rd or March 24th

So your position has matured into the following:

The curtain rods were submitted by Agent Howlett to Lt. Day
-----------EITHER a good half a day BEFORE Agent Howlett extracted them from the Paine garage (=the 23 March option)
-----------OR nearly two hours AFTER they were released by Lt. Day back to Agent Howlett (=the 24 March option)


Is this really the best you can do, Mr Von Pein?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2022, 09:14:44 PM »
I truly wonder if Mr. Von Pein has ever once examined the evidence in an objective way, period.

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2022, 09:47:30 PM »
Amazing what an LN will do to twist and turn something to benefit his case.

Frazier is (and has always been) adamant about his description of the bag and he doesn't know if there was a rifle in it or not.

It is a simple as that. Everything else is just your bias at work.

It's 58 years after the fact and an LN is still struggling to somehow increase the size of the bag so that a rifle can fit in it.   :D

Your struggle is not against LNers but reality.  The bag was found.  It had Oswald's prints on it.  It has been measured.  No one has to rely on an estimate of its size made at a glance with no particular cause to take note of it.  Here is where you go into the song and dance about proving this is the bag Oswald carried that morning.  Spare us.  No bag matching Frazier's description was ever found in the building.  Oswald himself denied carrying any bag other than his ordinary lunch bag (i.e. not one matching Frazier's estimate).  So he is either lying or Frazier is lying about him carrying a much longer bag that morning.  And who has the incentive to lie about that?  Obviously Oswald if it contained the rifle.  If Old Lee simply had a shorter bag that contained some nonincriminating item like curtain rods he not only admits to that but directs the police to that bag.  Instead he denies it. 

No other person who worked on that floor ever accounted for the bag that was found.  It had no apparent work-related purpose to be there and no other person who had access to the floor ever claimed that bag or offered any explanation for its presence there.  The claim that this large bag was made to carry some other evidence out of the building like a window sill is laughable.  If there is an object inside the bag, the cops are holding that object.  You don't make a large bag to protect evidence for prints, but then hold the evidence getting your prints all over it.  LOL.  It's obvious that if there is an object in the bag its being used to avoid touching the bag.  Thus, the bag is the evidence and not any object inside the bag.

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2022, 10:03:27 PM »
Please provide some documents/links for this claim about the window strips. I cannot find anything in the WC testimonies of Detective Montgomery or Detective Johnson or Captain Fritz or Lieutenant J.C. Day concerning the removal of any "window strips" or "window sills" from the Book Depository Building.


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