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[Richard Smith]

You have evidence that Oswald did not have access to a car after the assassination?

Not compared to the Beckley bus which also left 12:36 from the same checkpoint on Elm.

No, it was totally predictable it would become stuck in traffic.

On a bus that took him back to the crime scene?

For less that one dollar, immediately locating a taxi cab would have taken him out of the area and to the doorstep of the rooming house.

Vs. to the doorstep.

No, not that cab.

That passenger continued south on Beckley.

How does getting out five blocks away achieve that?

No one on the bus remembered him except for Bledsoe, allegedly, who showed up for the interview with prefab answers.

And it would have made him miss Whaley's cab.

And it violates the principle you put forward yourself so why would you believe it?

No, would anyone suggest that?!

Remove those double negations and rephrase whatever point you're trying to make.

You mean including the five live rounds?

You've provided nothing to support the idea that Oswald would have put himself at a disadvantage by jumping on a Marsalis bus that was about to get stuck in traffic.

What do you think happened here?  You don't believe he was on the McWatters bus (even though a witness that knew him confirmed this and he had a bus transfer from that bus in his pocket).  But you entertain the baseless claim that Oswald had access to a car on 11.22 even though we know he never owned a car.  Wouldn't there be an equal risk that a cab or car might get stuck in the same traffic?  Why is the risk only that a bus would get stuck?  He got on the Marsalis bus because it was there at the time.  The first one he comes across.  He doesn't even get on at a bus stop.  It would have taken him to within a few blocks of where he wanted to go.  But of all the evidence and strange behavior Oswald is exhibiting, including fleeing his place of employment midday to get a gun, you are hung up on why he didn't catch another bus?  Maybe he already missed it.  He was fleeing the assassination of the president.  Not a normal commuter who could afford to read the paper waiting for his typical bus.  Unreal.  But lay out what you think happened here to explain all this.

[John Mytton]

Yes. He was seen getting into a car described as a Nash Rambler.

Who saw Oswald get in a Nash Rambler and did they positively identify him in an "unfair line-up"?

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Who saw Oswald get in a Nash Rambler and did they positively identify him in an "unfair line-up"?

JohnM

The answer is that nobody who saw the Rambler or the man getting in to it was ever invited to the line up. Hence the unfair line-up.

[John Iacoletti]

What do you think happened here?  You don't believe he was on the McWatters bus (even though a witness that knew him confirmed this and he had a bus transfer from that bus in his pocket).

What was Bledsoe’s evidence that she actually knew him?

“fleeing his place of employment midday to get a gun”. LOL.

[Richard Smith]

What do you think happened here?

Don't know, quite a mystery.

You don't believe he was on the McWatters bus (even though a witness that knew him confirmed this and he had a bus transfer from that bus in his pocket).

Bledsoe handled by Iacoletti.

Are you 100% he had it in his pocket, didn't he swap shirts?

But you entertain the baseless claim that Oswald had access to a car on 11.22 even though we know he never owned a car.

I didn't claim he had access to a car. Not owning a car wouldn't preclude him from having access to a car. Michael Paine had a spare car sitting in case you didn't know.

Wouldn't there be an equal risk that a cab or car might get stuck in the same traffic?

No, he would have told the driver to stay away from the plaza.

Why is the risk only that a bus would get stuck?

Covered above and we know Whaley didn't have any such problem even without guidance from his passenger although we're discussing the risk of such a thing happening.

He got on the Marsalis bus because it was there at the time.  The first one he comes across.

The Beckley bus would have been right behind, based on experience.

He doesn't even get on at a bus stop.

So he already knew the bus was caught up in traffic, right?

It would have taken him to within a few blocks of where he wanted to go.

Stupid choice as the Beckley bus would have taken him right to where he wanted to go.

But of all the evidence and strange behavior Oswald is exhibiting, including fleeing his place of employment midday to get a gun, you are hung up on why he didn't catch another bus?

No I'm pointing out your false claim that conspirators wouldn't make bad choices and Oswald would make blatantly stupid choices because of random events that weren't random.

Maybe he already missed it.

You mean the Beckley bus? If it wasn't in front of McW is would have been right behind him.

He was fleeing the assassination of the president. 

So you claim.

Not a normal commuter who could afford to read the paper waiting for his typical bus.

Both buses left their checkpoint at 12:36, according to McW, so there was no need to read any paper.

Unreal. But lay out what you think happened here to explain all this.

Not knowing what actually happened doesn't prevent me from pointing out your endless fallacies.

So you have no idea or theory what happened.  You just reject the evidence but proffer no explanation for how Oswald ended up with a bus transfer in his pocket.  Where have I heard that line of "reasoning" before?  Changing his shirt would not explain how the bus transfer ends up in his shirt pocket.  He was not a magician who could make a bus transfer appear by putting on a new shirt.  The transfer was issued by McWatters.  It was in Oswald's shirt pocket when arrested.  Whether Oswald's choice of bus was "stupid" in your subjective opinion does not rebut the evidence that he was on that bus.  That bus would take him within a few blocks of his destination.  It is likely the first bus he encounters.   There is no reason to fake his presence on this bus. 

[John Iacoletti]

So you have no idea or theory what happened. 

Any bozo can make up a story. Proving that it’s actually true - not so much.

Changing his shirt would not explain how the bus transfer ends up in his shirt pocket.  He was not a magician who could make a bus transfer appear by putting on a new shirt.

No, but cops have been known to make things appear like magic.

It was in Oswald's shirt pocket when arrested. 

Correction: it was “in Oswald’s shirt pocket” hours after he was arrested and already searched.