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Offline Jake Maxwell

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Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« on: March 20, 2022, 03:20:40 AM »
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I’ve seen a French copy of Zapruder on Youtube and just wondering how it came to be...
Is it legit?
It claims to be "1080p Best Quality” and appears to be from the Encyclopedia Britannica site...
Who owns it?
Any info?






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Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2022, 03:22:24 AM »

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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2022, 04:08:47 AM »
Thanks Jake, initially looking at this videos movements, they seemed a little odd and not harmonious around the time of the headshot so I grabbed the two frames Z312 and Z313 and what do you know, this is a Weidmann sized deception. These modern forgers using digital cut and paste techniques have cleverly reproduced Z312 twice, once as normal and then they pivoted Kennedy's head forward and also shifted the background half a step. But these forgers forgot to create a perspective change or any movement in the other passengers or the lady with the brown coat, so in the end this just looks like a bad Monty Python sketch.
Btw what this amply illustrates is an alteration this minor done digitally, using technology unheard of in the 60s and 70s, is so easy to detect, yet there are still clueless anomaly spotters who believe in a fake film that far exceeds the ambitions of this piece of crud.

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« Last Edit: March 20, 2022, 04:10:27 AM by John Mytton »

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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2022, 04:18:57 AM »
Thanks Jake, initially looking at this videos movements, they seemed a little odd and not harmonious around the time of the headshot so I grabbed the two frames Z312 and Z313 and what do you know, this is a Weidmann sized deception. These modern forgers using digital cut and paste techniques have cleverly reproduced Z312 twice, once as normal and then they pivoted Kennedy's head forward and also shifted the background half a step. But these forgers forgot to create a perspective change or any movement in the other passengers or the lady with the brown coat, so in the end this just looks like a bad Monty Python sketch.
Btw what this amply illustrates is an alteration this minor done digitally, using technology unheard of in the 60s and 70s, is so easy to detect, yet there are still clueless anomaly spotters who believe in a fake film that far exceeds the ambitions of this piece of crud.

Naughty naughty!




These are two separate frames, not the same frame as you suggested. Watch the reflections on the limos glass panels change between the two frames.

There is something odd about the film though. Watch how the camera zooms in on the limo after jfk emerges from the stemmons sign. Very odd.
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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2022, 04:29:53 AM »

Great catch!!
Head movement has been altered by some means...

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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2022, 04:50:49 AM »
These are two separate frames, not the same frame as you suggested. Watch the reflections on the limos glass panels change between the two frames.

Yeah, I saw a minor alteration on the trunk as well, the reflection shape doesn't change but they slightly altered the shading to closer match the next frame but nobody else moves at all and there is no Limo perspective change!
This is Z312 twice but with a bit of manipulation here and there.



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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2022, 01:31:14 AM »
The "French" version was created using a frame interpolation program, imo. The frame, call it 312a, that appears after 312 is a separate, independent and complete frame not a result of video aberrations. JFK's head moves to a halfway position between 312/313. So does the limo. Splitting the distance the limo went in one frame(312-313) into 312/312a/313 cut the limo speed in half for those two frames and creates the impression of a slowing limo.
  If you click the video and save as a"Watch later" under you own Youtube account you can adjust the settings to double the speed of the video which will be much closer to reality and the faked limo stop/slowing becomes obvious.
 Frame 350 has some artifacts that are probably a result of experimentation with the I.P. program. The curb in the French version of frame 350 looks to be from Z frame 349. Two indicators are Altgens missing shadow across the curb and the location of the yellow curb near Greer's side window. Both match Z frame 349. The yellow curb remains in the same location from 349 to 350. Then it jumps forward and catches up by frame 351.  Being that the addition of a frame 312a is obvious it is not a big surprise to see artifacts of other interpolation attempts.  Another clue in frame 350 is the vertical blurring of the curb in the French copy but not the real Z 350.  The bright horizontal curb almost doubles its vertical size from frame to frame due to a slight vertical camera jiggle. Compare Z frames 349 and 350 for an example. 349 is blurred and so the curb is much thicker than 350. But in the French version 350 is thick and matches Z frame 349. There also several other small blemishes on the curb and discolorations in the grass just above the curb that also, I think, prove the French frame 350 has elements morphed from frame 349.

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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2022, 03:04:35 AM »
The "French" version was created using a frame interpolation program, imo. The frame, call it 312a, that appears after 312 is a separate, independent and complete frame not a result of video aberrations. JFK's head moves to a halfway position between 312/313. So does the limo. Splitting the distance the limo went in one frame(312-313) into 312/312a/313 cut the limo speed in half for those two frames and creates the impression of a slowing limo.
  If you click the video and save as a"Watch later" under you own Youtube account you can adjust the settings to double the speed of the video which will be much closer to reality and the faked limo stop/slowing becomes obvious.
 Frame 350 has some artifacts that are probably a result of experimentation with the I.P. program. The curb in the French version of frame 350 looks to be from Z frame 349. Two indicators are Altgens missing shadow across the curb and the location of the yellow curb near Greer's side window. Both match Z frame 349. The yellow curb remains in the same location from 349 to 350. Then it jumps forward and catches up by frame 351.  Being that the addition of a frame 312a is obvious it is not a big surprise to see artifacts of other interpolation attempts.  Another clue in frame 350 is the vertical blurring of the curb in the French copy but not the real Z 350.  The bright horizontal curb almost doubles its vertical size from frame to frame due to a slight vertical camera jiggle. Compare Z frames 349 and 350 for an example. 349 is blurred and so the curb is much thicker than 350. But in the French version 350 is thick and matches Z frame 349. There also several other small blemishes on the curb and discolorations in the grass just above the curb that also, I think, prove the French frame 350 has elements morphed from frame 349.

So, the suggestion is that this is not just a tech glitch, but an intentional alteration?

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Re: Is the French copy of Zapruder legit?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2022, 03:04:35 AM »