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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #216 on: May 01, 2023, 06:50:55 PM »
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According to various media sources, the recently leaked documents confirm that the US has military advisors in Ukraine.  So another lie of the Biden administration ("no boots on the ground") regarding this war has been exposed.  And that one is too familiar from the Vietnam era.  When you enter a regional conflict such as this one in which it is not possible to impose a defeat on the enemy through military means, the strategic initiative is solely with your enemy.  That was the situation in Vietnam.  That was the situation in Afghanistan.  And now it is the situation in Ukraine.  The war will go on for as long as the Russians want it too.  Maybe they call it quits next week or next month or ten years from now, but that decision is entirely in their hands.  Ukraine Joe has made no effort to change that equation.  In fact, the corrupt poltiical establishment want it to go on for as long as possible.  They are both enriched and the Cold War hawks finally get their chance to fight Russia.  It's like something out of Dr. Strangelove. 
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #217 on: May 01, 2023, 10:28:44 PM »
Another Trump foreign policy disaster that we had to live through. Donnie gave up our American bases to his buddy Putin. 


US troops and their allies feel humiliated after abandoning their bases in Syria to be taken over by gleeful Russians

Oct 16, 2019



Russian troops and Syrian forces swiftly took over at least three recently abandoned US camps in northern Syria this week.

Russian mercenaries splashed their good fortune over social media and took selfies in front of US equipment, while Russian reporters gave walking tours of the base.

US troops vacated following Donald Trump's October 6 decision to pull all US troops from a coalition with the Syrian Defense Forces.

"Humiliation doesn't begin to cover what the US forces are feeling right now," a military official with the anti-ISIS coalition said.


Russian troops and their Syrian allies Wednesday quickly moved to assert their new power in Syria after this week's humiliating retreat by US forces in the wake of an invasion by Turkey.

For US and coalition soldiers, the spectacle was made worse by Russian glee at taking over multiple US military bases which were hastily abandoned.

Here is a video from the pro-Kremlin ANNA news network, which appears to show the inside of a base in Manbij, with abandoned tents, drinks coolers, and books. A Russian flag has been drawn on a white board.

The roughly 1,000 US soldiers — along with hundreds of French, Danish and British allies — have been forced to abandon positions along Syria's shared border with Turkey.

At the same time, Turkish troops and their proxies are pressing into Syria in a controversial campaign to eliminate Kurdish separatists that had allied with the US against ISIS.

The Kurdish response was to invite Russia and the Syrian regime into the eastern third of the country which they had governed autonomously for nearly eight years.

"Humiliation doesn't begin to cover what the US forces are feeling right now," said a military official with the anti-ISIS coalition.

"First they were forced to tell the people they trained, equipped and fought alongside for five years that they were leaving them to their fate, only to see Russian and Syrian troops enter the area and take over their bases."

On Tuesday, at least three US-built outposts in the areas around Manbij, Kobani, and Ayn Issa were abandoned and almost immediately taken over.

They were occupied by Russian special forces and mercenaries who have been deployed in Syria for five years to protect the tattered regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad.

The response from Russian state media was immediate as Russian troops and journalists took selfies amid the abandoned US equipment and gave video tours of the now Russian controlled facilities.

This video is from the state-controlled RT news channel: https://twitter.com/i/status/1184313012171108353

"It appears the Americans fled in their armored vehicles," said the RT Arabic service correspondent as she filmed an outdoor gym and motor pool area.

The reporter described the base as equipped with everything except weapons, ammunition and armored vehicles, which she dryly noted the US took with them while leaving virtually everything else behind.

A NATO military official from the anti-ISIS coalition said that the footage was an instant and powerful win for Russian propaganda.

He said: "This footage will play on endless repeat, not just around Russian state media. The notion that 'Americans fled Syria leaving behind perfect military bases for the Russians' will also receive massive play around the Middle East as [Russian President Vladimir] Putin makes the case that he's now the real superpower in the region."

A Kurdish fighter with the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), an umbrella group formed with US support and training to fight ISIS, said that in the brief conversations he had with the departing US soldiers, he felt they were deeply upset by the situation.

Mazen, an SDF fighter from Kobani, told Insider: "Some had tears in their eyes, we don't blame these soldiers. They were our brothers who fought with us for five years against [ISIS]. We blame the dictator Trump and his gang [Turkish President Recep] Erdogan and Putin."

He asked for only his first name for be used out of concern for his safety.

He said that while the Kurdish military leadership remains wary of both the Syrian regime and its Russian allies, they had no choice.

"We did not want to kill the revolution in Rojava and return to the regime and its Russian mercenaries," he said.

"But we could not face the Turkish airplanes, tanks, and their rapist, murdering criminal army alone. Bashar is a dog but the Turks are wolves."

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-troops-humiliated-abandoned-bases-syria-russians-2019-10

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #218 on: May 02, 2023, 12:20:24 AM »
No end in sight.  Stalemate.  Ukraine Joe's plan?  No one knows.  For as long as it takes.  Even if it is 20 years as in Afghanistan.  How did that "plan" work?

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #219 on: May 02, 2023, 08:36:42 AM »
Donnie was always Putin's puppet. Donnie was a foreign policy disaster who made America weak.


Trump's betrayal of the Kurds gifted military intelligence to Russia

Nov 21, 2019



When Trump ordered US troops to abandon the Kurds in Northern Syria, Turkish forces stormed the newly unprotected area.

Within days of the Americans abandoning their bases, "reporters" from the Russian defence ministry's TV channel began broadcasting from there.

This is an intelligence (and propaganda) gift to Russia.

Moscow will carefully examine the abandoned bases for communications infrastructure, construction materials and techniques, and battlefield medical equipment.

Each new piece of knowledge will improve their understanding of Western tactics, techniques and operations, helping to develop countermeasures for future conflicts.


In a single phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan last month, President Donald Trump undid years of US-led efforts against ISIS in just minutes.

Trump unexpectedly agreed to withdraw US forces from areas along Syria's border with Turkey. This presence had long irritated Ankara: from these areas, American and allied special operations forces for five years trained, fought alongside and protected militias affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers' Party.

It has long fought for an autonomous Kurdish state in the region, leading Ankara, Washington and others to designate the party a terror group years ago.

But the Kurds were the best fighters to take on ISIS with western support. And so the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces did, with victory costing them dearly: 11,000 dead (versus six American losses).

Shortly after that October 6 phone call, US forces abandoned their Syrian bases. In turn, Turkish forces and pro-Turkey militias in Syria stormed the now-unprotected Kurdish-held areas. Evidence quickly emerged of ethnic cleansing and war crimes against Kurds.

Current and former US service personnel are "heartbroken" and furious at Trump's betrayal of Kurdish allies, now being massacred by Turkish troops and their proxies.

His decision has achieved that rarity in Washington these days: bipartisan condemnation, with leading Republicans calling the withdrawal "a bloodstain in the annals of American history" and "a grave strategic mistake".

The retreat from Kurdish areas left a ton of intel in the hands of the Russians

Yet, with one exception, little has been written on the longer-term (counter-)intelligence implications. Make no mistake: this is an intelligence (and propaganda) gift to the West's adversaries – especially Russia.



Within days of Americans abandoning their bases, "reporters" from the Russian defence ministry's TV channel and other pro-Kremlin outlets were broadcasting from there.

What won't have been publicised are the careful facility inspections by Russian and other hostile intelligence officials, looking for insights into Western intelligence.

The Russian footage above shows plenty that Moscow and others will carefully examine and hope to learn from: communications infrastructure; construction materials and techniques, and battlefield medical equipment, for example. Each new piece of knowledge will improve their understanding of special forces tactics, techniques and operations, enabling the West's adversaries to develop potential countermeasures for future conflicts.

Kurds will now be targeted by Moscow and Iran for info

The greatest vulnerability comes from Kurds now forced to seek Syrian and Russian protection, exposing all fighters – but especially elite Kurdish counter-terror units – to pressure of one kind or another.

For five years, these units operated alongside US, UK and French special forces against ISIS, learning much along the way about western tactics, equipment, sources and methods.

Over time, Russian, Iranian, and Syrian intelligence officers will debrief selected Kurdish fighters, while also looking to recruit long-term agents who may be secretly activated when again working with western forces, for example.

Adversary intelligence services will also want to exploit all information on whatever Kurdish electronic devices they can access: messages, photos, contact lists, geo-location and other meta-data will gradually paint a wider "electronic picture" of joint western-Kurdish operations.

Russian access to regional communications networks and providers (either on its own or with Syrian, Iranian and/or Turkish cooperation) will speed up this forensic intelligence work that will last many months.

Moscow, Tehran and Damascus have had a year to prepare for this

Moscow, Tehran and Damascus have had a year to prepare for all this and more, after the Kurds secretly opened a back-channel with them, fearing a Turkish massacre if the US ever left Syria.

The Kurds already suspect Russia, Syria and Turkey of planning to divide Kurdish territory amongst themselves.

Some US officials have downplayed how much intelligence value Kurdish fighters could actually be, due to US operational security over time.

While there is some truth to this, it also reveals a persistent Western weakness: to misunderstand the mindset of authoritarian regimes; and the huge resources — time, people, money — that they are prepared to use to gain what to Western observers might only appear to be a slight advantage.

Authoritarian states do not do national security on the cheap. And US operational security has room for improvement.

Turkey is resurrecting ISIS by releasing their fighters from Kurdish prisons

Trump's betrayal of the Kurds will take decades to play out. An emboldened Turkey will eventually overreach; but for now it seems determined to revive ISIS by freeing Islamic State prisoners, making a mockery of the tens of thousands of people who have died either fighting these extremists or as their victims.

The Kurds are now facing genocide or, at the very least, mass forced displacement. Russia appears to be filling the vacuum left by US retreats worldwide.

But the most immediate impact of Trump's actions has already been on America's international standing as a reliable ally and on Washington's lost access to human intelligence from the region vital to US national security.

Trump's betrayal of the Kurds has been an intelligence gift to the West's adversaries – how big a one, we will soon find out.

https://www.insider.com/trump-betrayal-of-kurds-gave-intelligence-to-russia-2019-11

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #220 on: May 02, 2023, 03:51:59 PM »
Donnie was always Putin's puppet. Donnie was a foreign policy disaster who made America weak.



This is fake propaganda (i.e. an extension of the fake "Russian collusion" conspiracy hoax), but even if it were true there was no invasion or war under Trump.  What is preferrable?  The current situation in which hundreds of thousands are dead and regions of Ukraine are a moonscape with no end in sight or even a plan to bring about an end or Trump saying nice things about Putin because he played to Putin's ego?  Radicalized ideologues such as yourself believe that attacking Trump is more important than any other issue in the entire world.  If it means war, crime, open borders, censorship, imprisoning dissenters etc. it is all good because the ends justify any and all means when it comes to Trump.  The net result is the world spiraling into ruin under a man with dementia and his clown show of imcompetents.
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« Reply #221 on: May 02, 2023, 10:32:38 PM »
Here's another gift that Donnie gave to Putin which allowed him to invade Ukraine. Donnie will always be known as Putin's puppet.

Trump administration pulls out of Open Skies treaty with Russia
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527056-us-withdraws-from-open-skies-treaty-with-russia/

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #222 on: May 03, 2023, 12:22:58 AM »
Even the Pope is now trying to intervene to stop Ukraine Joe's endless war.  The US has undermined every peace effort thus far including a deal brokered by Turkey.  It is not in Ukraine Joe's interest to end this war.  His cronies are making billions. 

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« Reply #223 on: May 03, 2023, 03:50:25 AM »
Even the Pope is now trying to intervene to stop Ukraine Joe's endless war.  The US has undermined every peace effort thus far including a deal brokered by Turkey.  It is not in Ukraine Joe's interest to end this war.  His cronies are making billions.

It's Putin's war.

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