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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #272 on: May 14, 2023, 04:02:28 PM »
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Under Trump - no invasion.  No deaths.

Under Old Joe - endless war.  Tens of thousands dead.  Cities destroyed.  Hundreds of billions wasted.  No plan.  On and on it goes without the US articulating any policy objective or manner to bring about a settlement.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #273 on: May 14, 2023, 04:56:09 PM »
Under Trump - no invasion.  No deaths.

Under Old Joe - endless war.  Tens of thousands dead.  Cities destroyed.  Hundreds of billions wasted.  No plan.  On and on it goes without the US articulating any policy objective or manner to bring about a settlement.

Which country did Joe Biden invade and/or send troops to?

Are you sure you don't get your information from some video game?

In the past couple of days, Italy promised Ukraine all the help they can give for as long as it takes. Germany did the same and gave Ukraine 2,7 Billion Euros worth of military equipment, while Poland is sending them fighter planes. The U.K. has just send them long range cruise missiles and several EU countries have donated the most modern tanks.

At the same time Russian soldiers are surrendering and deserting. The Wagner Group has had enough of Putin's BS and is desperately threatening to leave Bakhmut because of a lack of ammunition and your hero Putin completely embarressed himself by holding a parade with only one 80 years old tank.

If you want to complain about the war in Ukraine, you need to talk to the guy who started it, instead of complaining about those who are actually trying to save the country from a brutal dictator.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #274 on: May 14, 2023, 10:37:02 PM »

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #275 on: May 15, 2023, 05:15:54 AM »
Under Trump - no invasion.  No deaths.

Under Old Joe - endless war.  Tens of thousands dead.  Cities destroyed.  Hundreds of billions wasted.  No plan.  On and on it goes without the US articulating any policy objective or manner to bring about a settlement.

More falsehoods and propaganda. Putin was already attacking Ukraine under Criminal Donald in 2018.

Why The Crisis Between Ukraine And Russia Has Taken To The Sea
November 28, 2018
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/28/671615172/why-the-crisis-between-ukraine-and-russia-has-taken-to-the-sea

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #276 on: May 16, 2023, 06:12:26 AM »
President Biden rallied our allies together and now the United Kingdom is helping Ukraine with more weapons to defeat Putin.


Zelensky meets PM as more Ukraine weapons pledged

The UK will send hundreds of air defence missiles and armed drones to Ukraine on top of the Storm Shadow cruise missiles announced last week.




The move means the UK is going further than any other country in providing weapons with the potential to tip the battlefield in Ukraine's favour.

Earlier, President Volodymyr Zelensky met the UK's Rishi Sunak as part of his tour of Western allies.

Mr Zelensky said it was important for the West to send fighter jets as well.

But the prime minister said providing fighter jets was "not a straightforward thing", although he did say the UK would form "a key part of the coalition countries" providing that support.

Ukraine is continuing to prepare for a much-anticipated counter-offensive against Russian forces.

Last week, Mr Zelensky told the BBC his country needed more weaponry before it could launch the attack.

On Monday, the Ukrainian president had about two hours of talks with Mr Sunak at Chequers, near London.

He arrived on British soil for a surprise visit after a whirlwind tour of Western Europe that also took in Rome, Berlin and Paris.

Mr Zelensky said Ukraine and the UK were "real partners", while Mr Sunak's spokesman described the meeting as "warm and collegiate".

The Storm Shadow cruise missiles can be used to destroy Russia's positions on occupied Ukrainian territory.

If Ukraine can destroy Russia's command centres, logistics hubs and ammunition depots in occupied territory, then it may prove impossible for Moscow to continue resupplying its frontline troops in places.

This is what Ukraine did so successfully in Kherson last year, forcing the Russians to withdraw almost without a fight. It will now be hoping to repeat the process with the help of Western-supplied munitions.

President Zelensky's repeated calls for Nato to send F-16 jets are being met with delays and obfuscations, for several reasons.

The Ukrainian air force has trained its pilots on F-16s, which the RAF do not use, but such training takes months, not days.

Logistics, maintenance and the need to find suitable runways are all important too.

Finally, there is the question of escalation. Nato is struggling to balance giving Kyiv the maximum support it can, without getting directly drawn into this conflict.

If Nato does end up sending F-16 warplanes, however old they may be, then that, in Moscow's eyes, constitutes a major provocation by the West.

Mr Zelensky said he discussed the supply of Western fighter jets with Mr Sunak.

New jets were a "very important topic for us, because we can't control the sky", the Ukrainian leader added.

"We spoke about it and I see that in the closest time you will hear some, I think, very important decisions, but we have to work a little bit more on it," he said.

The UK has no plans to send fighter jets to Ukraine, according to the prime minister's official spokesman.

But No 10 said elementary training for Ukrainian pilots would begin this summer, along with British efforts to work with other countries on providing F-16 jets to Ukraine.

The prime minister's official spokesman also denied that any drones supplied by the UK would be used to hit targets inside Russia.

They would be used for the defence of Ukraine on Ukrainian sovereign territory, the spokesman said.

Mr Sunak said: "This is a crucial moment in Ukraine's resistance to a terrible war of aggression they did not choose or provoke.

"They need the sustained support of the international community to defend against the barrage of unrelenting and indiscriminate attacks that have been their daily reality for over a year."

In response, Russia said the new British weapons due to be supplied to Kyiv would only cause "further destruction".

"Britain aspires to position itself at the forefront of the countries that continue to pump weapons into Ukraine," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

European support

Ukraine secured a new defence aid package from Germany after talks in Berlin with Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Sunday, taking its total military funding to nearly $7bn (£6.44bn).

Mr Zelensky described the new pledge of German Leopard tanks and anti-aircraft systems as "the largest since the beginning of the full-scale aggression" by Russia in February 2022.

France has promised dozens more light tanks and armoured vehicles after President Emmanuel Macron met his Ukrainian counterpart in Paris.

In February, Mr Zelensky visited London for the first time since the start of the war, during which he attended an audience with the King and addressed Parliament.

His latest visit to the UK comes ahead of a G7 gathering in Hiroshima, Japan, later this week which will also be attended by Mr Sunak.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65594540

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« Reply #276 on: May 16, 2023, 06:12:26 AM »


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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #277 on: May 16, 2023, 01:16:11 PM »
Zelensky's world tour asking "Europe" for money is hilarious.  They are all for photo ops with him but are leaving it to the US to pay the bill.  Ukraine Joe is happy to oblige since the money is flowing like the great Mississippi to lobbyists.  A corrupt system that has put he US in some endless foreign war for the last 60 years and counting.  And what is the plan?  There is none.  What is the objective?  Hope Russia gives up.  Good luck Joe.  Of course, Ukraine Joe and the war hawks dont' want the war to ever end.  They are making out like bandits and tying up Russia in a conflict.  A win-win for them while the people of Ukraine suffer.  They will curse Old Joe for centuries.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #278 on: May 16, 2023, 01:27:06 PM »
Zelensky's world tour asking "Europe" for money is hilarious.  They are all for photo ops with him but are leaving it to the US to pay the bill.  Ukraine Joe is happy to oblige since the money is flowing like the great Mississippi to lobbyists.  A corrupt system that has put he US in some endless foreign war for the last 60 years and counting.  And what is the plan?  There is none.  What is the objective?  Hope Russia gives up.  Good luck Joe.  Of course, Ukraine Joe and the war hawks dont' want the war to ever end.  They are making out like bandits and tying up Russia in a conflict.  A win-win for them while the people of Ukraine suffer.  They will curse Old Joe for centuries.

They are all for photo ops with him but are leaving it to the US to pay the bill.

Total and utter BS

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« Reply #279 on: May 16, 2023, 01:35:54 PM »
They are all for photo ops with him but are leaving it to the US to pay the bill.

Total and utter BS

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« Reply #279 on: May 16, 2023, 01:35:54 PM »