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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #280 on: May 16, 2023, 01:50:50 PM »
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While Zelensky is telling the world that Russia is on the defensive, they are attacking Kiev.   He is sounding more like Baghdad Bob.  The US has provided him with three times the entire Russian military budget and, at best, there is a stalemate.  And no end in sight with Ukraine Joe providing no leadership or plan.  It is like the border.  Events are just running their course with no leadership.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #281 on: May 16, 2023, 03:03:33 PM »
Another valuable contribution supported by facts and data.

You don't know what facts and data are.... All you are spewing is propaganda.

Earlier this week, Germany alone gave Ukraine more support in money and equipment than the US had done.
Combined, in funds and material, the EU is outspending the US, so nobody is leaving the US to pay the bill.

My comment that what you wrote is total and utter BS is factual.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #282 on: May 16, 2023, 03:10:33 PM »
While Zelensky is telling the world that Russia is on the defensive, they are attacking Kiev.   He is sounding more like Baghdad Bob.  The US has provided him with three times the entire Russian military budget and, at best, there is a stalemate.  And no end in sight with Ukraine Joe providing no leadership or plan.  It is like the border.  Events are just running their course with no leadership.

While Zelensky is telling the world that Russia is on the defensive, they are attacking Kiev.

With drones and long range missiles which were all intercepted. Putin is getting desperate. During the Eurovision song contest, he attacked the town where the Ukraine entry came from. How pathetic!

This is Putin's army;





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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #283 on: May 16, 2023, 04:09:31 PM »
While Zelensky is telling the world that Russia is on the defensive, they are attacking Kiev.

With drones and long range missiles which were all intercepted.

There’s video evidence of Ukrainian air defenses, possibly a Patriot missile system in Kyiv, being hit last night. So no, Ukraine isn’t intercepting 100% of Russia’s drones and missiles.


Putin is getting desperate. During the Eurovision song contest, he attacked the town where the Ukraine entry came from. How pathetic!




Based on the secondary explosions, there clearly was ammunition at the site of that air strike.

It’s naive to believe the propaganda that Russia only strikes civilian targets and never Ukrainian military targets.

Most of the mainstream media is pro-Ukraine so they rarely challenge or even question the BS that Ukrainian officials say.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #284 on: May 16, 2023, 04:40:24 PM »
There’s video evidence of Ukrainian air defenses, possibly a Patriot missile system in Kyiv, being hit last night. So no, Ukraine isn’t intercepting 100% of Russia’s drones and missiles.



Based on the secondary explosions, there clearly was ammunition at the site of that air strike.

It’s naive to believe the propaganda that Russia only strikes civilian targets and never Ukrainian military targets.

Most of the mainstream media is pro-Ukraine so they rarely challenge or even question the BS that Ukrainian officials say.

Putin lover, are you?

There’s video evidence of Ukrainian air defenses, possibly a Patriot missile system in Kyiv, being hit last night. So no, Ukraine isn’t intercepting 100% of Russia’s drones and missiles.

There are vidoes and then there are videos. You can speculate all you want but European reporters on the ground from the likes of the BBC are saying most, if not all, Russian drones and missiles were intercepted. But even if they only shot down 8 out of every ten, what does that say about the Russian military.

It’s naive to believe the propaganda that Russia only strikes civilian targets and never Ukrainian military targets.

Nobody is saying that, so why would you bring it up? Regardless, it is a well proven fact that a lot of Russian attacks are against civilian targets. That alone says enough about Putin and his ilk.

Attacking the home town of a couple of singers just before they participated in the Eurovision song contest is just childish and sick. It served no military purpose at all.

Most of the mainstream media is pro-Ukraine so they rarely challenge or even question the BS that Ukrainian officials say.

But you, as a keyboard cowboy can determine what is BS and what isn't? Give me a break....   :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #285 on: May 16, 2023, 05:02:04 PM »
You don't know what facts and data are.... All you are spewing is propaganda.

Earlier this week, Germany alone gave Ukraine more support in money and equipment than the US had done.
Combined, in funds and material, the EU is outspending the US, so nobody is leaving the US to pay the bill.

My comment that what you wrote is total and utter BS is factual.

You sound unhinged on the topic.  There is no doubt that "Europe" has made some token donations, but the US is providing the vast majority of military support.  Hundreds of billions.  How about this?  Why don't you travel to Ukraine and fight the Russians?   You need to stop them there - right?  Or they will overrun "Europe."   Another of so many lies that have been told to the gullible.  Russian collusion, Hunter's laptop the product of disinformation, COVID did not originate in a lab, the Russians blew up their own pipeline.  HA HA HA.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #286 on: May 16, 2023, 05:04:53 PM »
Putin lover, are you?

There’s video evidence of Ukrainian air defenses, possibly a Patriot missile system in Kyiv, being hit last night. So no, Ukraine isn’t intercepting 100% of Russia’s drones and missiles.

There are vidoes and then there are videos. You can speculate all you want but European reporters on the ground from the likes of the BBC are saying most, if not all, Russian drones and missiles were intercepted. But even if they only shot down 8 out of every ten, what does that say about the Russian military.

Russia is fighting a modern military, not the Taliban or Iraq. The US hasn’t faced a peer military opponent since maybe the Korean war. So the fact that Ukraine is able to intercept some or many of Russia’s missiles doesn’t surprise me. This is what modern warfare between two peer military competitors looks like.

It may very well be true that some or most of Russia’s missiles were intercepted. But there’s video footage from Kyiv last night confirming that some targets were hit by missiles.

Ukraine’s claim that “100% were intercepted” is likely disinformation.

Ukraine has every incentive to lie and embellish stuff in order to justify asking the US and other countries to continue supporting them. But we and the Press aren’t obligated to unconditionally support Ukraine or believe their BS…







Attacking the home town of a couple of singers just before they participated in the Eurovision song contest is just childish and sick. It served no military purpose at all.

See the photo in my last post and the photo below:



An ammo depot was bombed, not civilians or civilian infrastructure. That some contestants in Eurovision live there is probably a coincidence.


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« Reply #287 on: May 16, 2023, 05:11:55 PM »
Russia is fighting a modern military, not the Taliban or Iraq. The US hasn’t faced a peer military opponent since maybe the Korean war. So the fact that Ukraine is able to intercept some or many of Russia’s missiles doesn’t surprise me. This is what modern warfare between two peer military competitors looks like.

It may very well be true that some or most of Russia’s missiles were intercepted. But there’s video footage from Kyiv last night confirming that some targets were hit by missiles.

Ukraine’s claim that “100% were intercepted” is likely disinformation.

Ukraine has every incentive to lie and embellish stuff in order to justify asking the US and other countries to continue supporting them. But we and the Press aren’t obligated to unconditionally support Ukraine or believe their BS…






See the photo in my last post and the photo below:



An ammo depot was bombed, not civilians or civilian infrastructure. That some contestants in Eurovision live there is probably a coincidence.

A classic modern propaganda tactic dating back to WWI is to allege atrocities are being committed against civilians.  Orphans are being massacred.  Hospitals bombed.  Nuns are being ravaged etc.  There are people whose job it is to enflame the public for a cause, and they know the triggers.  No doubt that Russians have committed crimes but that holds true for Ukranians.  It's a war.  People are dying due to Biden's weakness and incompetence.  It will continue until someone with a plan comes along to bring it to an end.  Ukraine Joe is not that person.  His "as long as it takes" nonsense just relies on the fighting to continue until the Russians make a unilateral decision that they are done.  That could be next month or ten years from now.  It puts the decision solely in Putin's hands.

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« Reply #287 on: May 16, 2023, 05:11:55 PM »