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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2022, 12:24:26 AM »
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I'll put it to you the way I put it to ....:

You have a guy who gives out one story soon after the fact. 2-3 decades later, he starts telling a very different, more involved (and jucier) story about the same event. You know that the other witnesses to the same event told a story that was consistent with the guy's first story, but contradicts his later one. The question to you is, which of the guy's two stories do you choose as most likely to be correct?

Well, if you are used to jumping to conclusions, then of course you are right. Burroughs' later version does differ from his original one.

But there's also another way of looking at things. Life's experiences have taught me that where humans are involved things sometimes get very complicated very quickly. For one thing, it hardly ever happens that a witness to an event will instantly tell you the whole story of what they saw in a concise manner. They normally forget details, which they will remember (differently) later, or leave out things they consider not to be relevant, even though they may actually be extremely relevant. Time is also a factor, as people caught up in a stressful situation, when it happens, may well tell a different story, from their original one, when they had a possibility to take a step back and quietly process the information. Obviously, this doesn't mean that their memory improves with time and there will always be bad actors who purposely change their story, but to simply dismiss later recollections is not credible is once again the same as jumping to conclusions.

The mere fact that Burroughs later recalled things that Postal and/or Brewer never confirmed doesn't automatically mean that Burroughs' recollections are false. And even if his earlier statements are similar to those of Postal and/or Brewer (which is a judgment call by itself) that still doesn't mean that he told the entire story soon after the fact.

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Re: The bus transfer
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2022, 01:10:20 AM »
Johnny Brewers story also changed through the years.
Even his original version was bogus.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2022, 01:13:46 AM »
You tried to claim that Bowley broke the DPD timeline. I demonstrated how the two are still consistent. Your response was to emulate a nine-year old. Good job!

The fact that Bowley said that his watch could be five minutes off, doesn't mean it was.

Btw where did you get that quote from Bowley? I haven't seen or read that anywhere, so I would be interested to know where it came from.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2022, 02:59:21 AM »
Johnny Brewers story also changed through the years.
Even his original version was bogus.

The shoe store guy was "in" on the plot?  And his role was to get a job at the shoe store and hope Oswald passed it on the way to the movies after assassinating JFK so that he could direct the authorities to him?  Amazing foresight by the conspirators.  Was there anyone in Dallas other than Oswald who was not involved in the assassination?

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2022, 11:33:51 AM »
The shoe store guy was "in" on the plot?  And his role was to get a job at the shoe store and hope Oswald passed it on the way to the movies after assassinating JFK so that he could direct the authorities to him?  Amazing foresight by the conspirators.  Was there anyone in Dallas other than Oswald who was not involved in the assassination?

Amazing exaggeration and a pathetic strawman. Typical Richard Smith material

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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2022, 11:33:51 AM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2022, 04:00:46 PM »
Amazing exaggeration and a pathetic strawman. Typical Richard Smith material

Typical Martin contrarian material lacking any substance.   How about explaining to us what is being suggested then?  Jerry indicated that Brewer's "original version was bogus."  Why would Brewer make a "bogus" report to the authorities under these circumstances?   What exactly was "bogus" about it and why would he make "bogus" statements.   What he indicated is fairly straightforward.  He saw a man who he believed was acting suspiciously.  He followed that man a short distance.  That man went into the TT.  The police found that man in the TT.  That man was Oswald. 

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2022, 04:38:49 PM »
Typical Martin contrarian material lacking any substance.   How about explaining to us what is being suggested then?  Jerry indicated that Brewer's "original version was bogus."  Why would Brewer make a "bogus" report to the authorities under these circumstances?   What exactly was "bogus" about it and why would he make "bogus" statements.   What he indicated is fairly straightforward.  He saw a man who he believed was acting suspiciously.  He followed that man a short distance.  That man went into the TT.  The police found that man in the TT.  That man was Oswald.

Typical Martin contrarian material lacking any substance.

Which only tells us that you don't understand the meaning of the word "contrarian".

There was nothing contrarian about my factual statement that you exaggerated, as per usual, and resorted to a strawman.


How about explaining to us what is being suggested then?

Why in the world should I explain something I have not suggested?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2022, 07:37:14 PM »
Typical Martin contrarian material lacking any substance.   How about explaining to us what is being suggested then?  Jerry indicated that Brewer's "original version was bogus."  Why would Brewer make a "bogus" report to the authorities under these circumstances?   What exactly was "bogus" about it and why would he make "bogus" statements.   What he indicated is fairly straightforward.  He saw a man who he believed was acting suspiciously.  He followed that man a short distance.  That man went into the TT.  The police found that man in the TT.  That man was Oswald.

"He saw a man who he believed was acting suspiciously.  He followed that man a short distance.  That man went into the TT.  The police found that man in the TT.  That man was Oswald. "

"Acting suspiciously".....    ???   

"That man went into the TT." ...... Brewer did not see the man enter the theater....He saw him enter the vestibule, and assumed that he had entered the theater.....

 The police found that man in the TT. .......   No ...The police found Lee Oswald....  Just as intended.
Three FBI agents were there in the theater, to ensure the cops arrested the patsy.

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Re: The bus transfer
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2022, 07:37:14 PM »