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Offline Richard Smith

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that Oswald's rifle was left at the crime scene

More BS. All they knew within 48 hours of the assassination is that, according to Kleins' the rifle they found at the TSBD was ordered and sold to somebody called A. Hidell.

that he had fled

Nope.. they didn't know that either. All they knew Oswald was one of several TSBD employees who was not present at the roll call

that he was the prime suspect in the murder of a police office,

That's what they arrested him for. No the murder of the President. So, how do you get from "we suspect him of killing a police officer" to "he is the lone nut that killed the President"?

that he had a suspect political background known to the FBI

It's not a crime to have a particular political background (whatever that means) and having such a background doesn't make somebody a lone nut killer.

The presence of his rifle alone was sufficient to convict absent a credible alibi

Knock it off with this "his rifle" crap. Until this day we don't know for sure if it was his rifle or not.

They did not know if Oswald could offer a credible alibi or not. The mere fact that he didn't give one to Fritz doesn't mean he had none. He has the right to remain silent and that can not be held against him

or alternative explanation for its presence.

They never investigated any alternative explanation for the presence of the rifle at the TSBD.

As per usual, you are blowing hot air.

You are really suggesting here that by Nov. 25 the authorities did not know that Hidell was an alias used by Oswald?  He had such an ID in his wallet when arrested!  The authorities knew the rifle found was linked to Oswald per Klein's via both Oswald's PO Box AND an alias he was known to use.  And now you are admitting there was a roll call!  Wow.  Oswald had been questioned.  He failed to provide a credible alibi or explanation for the presence of his rifle.  Instead he lied.  There was no doubt of his guilt as of the time the memo was written.  Nevertheless, the federal government conducted the most extensive investigation in criminal history on their own motion.  It was not required. 

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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that Oswald's rifle was left at the crime scene

More BS. All they knew within 48 hours of the assassination is that, according to Kleins' the rifle they found at the TSBD was ordered and sold to somebody called A. Hidell.

that he had fled

Nope.. they didn't know that either. All they knew Oswald was one of several TSBD employees who was not present at the roll call

that he was the prime suspect in the murder of a police office,

That's what they arrested him for. No the murder of the President. So, how do you get from "we suspect him of killing a police officer" to "he is the lone nut that killed the President"?

that he had a suspect political background known to the FBI

It's not a crime to have a particular political background (whatever that means) and having such a background doesn't make somebody a lone nut killer.

The presence of his rifle alone was sufficient to convict absent a credible alibi

Knock it off with this "his rifle" crap. Until this day we don't know for sure if it was his rifle or not.

They did not know if Oswald could offer a credible alibi or not. The mere fact that he didn't give one to Fritz doesn't mean he had none. He has the right to remain silent and that can not be held against him

or alternative explanation for its presence.

They never investigated any alternative explanation for the presence of the rifle at the TSBD.

As per usual, you are blowing hot air.

"The mere fact that he didn't give one to Fritz doesn't mean he had none. "

The mere fact that he didn't give one ( an alibi ) to Fritz doesn't mean he had none.

Captain Fritz: Where were you at the time the president passed by the building ?

Lee Oswald:  I was eating my lunch in the first floor lunchroom.

Lee had a rock solid alibi , and he gave it to Fritz.....  That alibi was verified by Junior Jarman and Harold Norman.
Lee said that at the time that he was in the first floor lunchroom eating his lunch he saw Jarman and Norman walk by the lunchroom.    Jarman and Norman confirmed that they had in fact walked by that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26  / 12:27.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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You are really suggesting here that by Nov. 25 the authorities did not know that Hidell was an alias used by Oswald?  He had such an ID in his wallet when arrested!  The authorities knew the rifle found was linked to Oswald per Klein's via both Oswald's PO Box AND an alias he was known to use.  And now you are admitting there was a roll call!  Wow.  Oswald had been questioned.  He failed to provide a credible alibi or explanation for the presence of his rifle.  Instead he lied.  There was no doubt of his guilt as of the time the memo was written.  Nevertheless, the federal government conducted the most extensive investigation in criminal history on their own motion.  It was not required.

You are really suggesting here that by Nov. 25 the authorities did not know that Hidell was an alias used by Oswald?

They might have suspected it, but they had no way of knowing until they examined the handwriting on the order documents.

He had such an ID in his wallet when arrested!

Really? Are you sure about that? When Paul Bentley took Oswald's wallet from him in the car he only found an ID in Oswald's name. The first time the Hidell ID showed up was when Gus Rose was given a wallet at the police station, by a never identified officer, who told him that it was Oswald's wallet. There is not one single DPD report by any of the officers in the car with Oswald that says Bentley found a Hidell ID.

And now you are admitting there was a roll call!  Wow.

When did I ever deny there was a roll call at the TSBD?

There was no doubt of his guilt as of the time the memo was written.  Nevertheless, the federal government conducted the most extensive investigation in criminal history on their own motion.  It was not required.

If you say so...  :D

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Offline Richard Smith

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You are really suggesting here that by Nov. 25 the authorities did not know that Hidell was an alias used by Oswald?

They might have suspected it, but they had no way of knowing until they examined the handwriting on the order documents.

He had such an ID in his wallet when arrested!

Really? Are you sure about that? When Paul Bentley took Oswald's wallet from him in the car he only found an ID in Oswald's name. The first time the Hidell ID showed up was when Gus Rose was given a wallet at the police station, by a never identified officer, who told him that it was Oswald's wallet. There is not one single DPD report by any of the officers in the car with Oswald that says Bentley found a Hidell ID.



So it was dishonest and incomplete to say:  "All they knew within 48 hours of the assassination is that, according to Kleins' the rifle they found at the TSBD was ordered and sold to somebody called A. Hidell."  The authorities knew that A. Hidell was a known alias associated with Oswald and that the Klein's order reflected a PO Box that belonged to Oswald.  They had a sound basis within less than 48 hours to conclude that the rifle found at the crime scene belonged to Oswald.  And that this rifle had been used to assassinate JFK (e,g, witnesses saw a rifle pointed out the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination).  When asked about this rifle Oswald lied and could not account for its presence there.  A sound basis to conclude that Oswald was guilty but one they decided to investigate further without any legal obligation to do so after he was dead.

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So it was dishonest and incomplete to say:  "All they knew within 48 hours of the assassination is that, according to Kleins' the rifle they found at the TSBD was ordered and sold to somebody called A. Hidell."  The authorities knew that A. Hidell was a known alias associated with Oswald and that the Klein's order reflected a PO Box that belonged to Oswald.  They had a sound basis within less than 48 hours to conclude that the rifle found at the crime scene belonged to Oswald.  And that this rifle had been used to assassinate JFK (e,g, witnesses saw a rifle pointed out the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination).  When asked about this rifle Oswald lied and could not account for its presence there.  A sound basis to conclude that Oswald was guilty but one they decided to investigate further without any legal obligation to do so after he was dead.

The authorities knew that A. Hidell was a known alias associated with Oswald

No they didn't know that.

that the Klein's order reflected a PO Box that belonged to Oswald.

I seriously doubt they knew that when Katzenbach wrote his memo

They had a sound basis within less than 48 hours to conclude that the rifle found at the crime scene belonged to Oswald.

No they didn't. They had bits and pieces of information that needed to be put together by further investigation. What you are talking about is a rush to judgement

And that this rifle had been used to assassinate JFK

BS. All they knew is that a rifle had been found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. They didn't even know if it had been fired, because nobody checked.

When asked about this rifle Oswald lied

You can only conclude that he lied if you have previously established that it was in fact his rifle. That hasn't been done conclusively until today.

A sound basis to conclude that Oswald was guilty but one they decided to investigate further without any legal obligation to do so after he was dead.

 :D   You're funny.... yes they "investigated further, but only based on the assumption that Oswald was the lone nut gunman.



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Offline Jake Maxwell

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FACT: Hoover and Katzenbach in essence, were not interested in the evidence in the case - within 48 hours, or 48 years - by their own words... they were interested in a cover-up...
FACT: Hoover and Katzenbach actually planned to hide from the public any evidence to suggest that Oswald was not a lone assassin...
VERY LIKELY FACT: Hoover and Katzenbach planned the cover-up to protect themselves and their cohorts...
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FACT: Hoover and Katzenbach in essence, were not interested in the evidence in the case - within 48 hours, or 48 years - by their own words... they were interested in a cover-up...
FACT: Hoover and Katzenbach actually planned to hide from the public any evidence to suggest that Oswald was not a lone assassin...
VERY LIKELY FACT: Hoover and Katzenbach planned the cover-up to protect themselves and their cohorts...


Is there information still being hidden from the public?

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Is there information still being hidden from the public?

Hi Jake...  You da man!    I always enjoy your posts because you post FACTS.

There probably isn't any crucial evidence still being hidden ( anything that was incriminating to the authorities and unknown to the public has probably been destroyed.)   However, there is ample evidence that reveals the treachery and perfidy of the authorities, but unfortunately most of that evidence has been "debunked" with LNer BS.   

There is ample evidence.... but most folks simply cannot accept that a venerated institution like the FBI  could be so corrupt.

And therein lies the major hurdle...... 

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