Next to Oswald's Rifle

[Walt Cakebread]

There is also no evidence of rust on the rifle.

Robert Frazier examined the rifle and said it showed the effects of wear and corrosion; nothing about rust.

Describe "corrosion" on steel.....

[Bill Brown]

Describe "corrosion" on steel.....

All rust on steel is corrosion but not all corrosion on steel is rust.

Robert Frazier said the barrel showed the effects of wear and corrosion.  Frazier did NOT say the barrel was rusty.

You can decide for yourself if you want to understand this very simple concept or not.

[Martin Weidmann]

All rust on steel is corrosion but not all corrosion on steel is rust.

Robert Frazier said the barrel showed the effects of wear and corrosion.  Frazier did NOT say the barrel was rusty.

You can decide for yourself if you want to understand this very simple concept or not.

It's a word game...

Corrosion is the process by which certain materials, including iron, deteriorate as a result of oxidation.
Rusting is oxidation of iron in the presence of air and moisture.

Corrosion being present in the barrel indicates the same as rust being there. Had the weapon been fired, the first shot would have removed the corrosion or rust.

[Bill Brown]

It's a word game...

Corrosion is the process by which certain materials, including iron, deteriorate as a result of oxidation.
Rusting is oxidation of iron in the presence of air and moisture.

Corrosion being present in the barrel indicates the same as rust being there. Had the weapon been fired, the first shot would have removed the corrosion or rust.

Correction:  Had the rifle been recently fired, the first shot would have removed any rust.  However, this shot would not have removed "signs of the effect of wear and corrosion".

This is not a word game.  There is a big difference.

[Martin Weidmann]

Correction:  Had the rifle been recently fired, the first shot would have removed any rust.  However, this shot would not have removed "signs of the effect of wear and corrosion".

This is not a word game.  There is a big difference.

However, this shot would not have removed "signs of the effect of wear and corrosion".

Cite please for the first shot not removing the effect of corrosion.

[Zeon Mason]

At the very least, Bill and Richard concede the scope was out of alignment AFTER the fact when the rifle was found.

And at the very least,  the barrel was corroded and not in the best condition.

So this is still the question I have IF the Premise from Walt Cakebread that the MC rifle  was pre planted, WHY would the conspirator(s) place such a rifle when they could have  found a better quality MC rifle with more pristine bore and an a perfectly good scope in alignment.  AND, they could had fired.a few rounds prior to planting the rifle , thus leaving some gunpowder residue in the chamber/breech and bore.

What  alternatives besides Walt’s theory of Oswald part of CIA plan to have Oswald infiltrate into the Castro regime in Cuba?

A. The conspirator shooter took an MC rifle from Oswald and for some reason pre-planted  it without checking it out.

B. Oswald pre planted a mail order MC purposely with corroded bore and bad scope, while actually using some semi auto rifle with folding stock  This option would entail an escape plan using the East elevator to the 2nd floor in 50 secs. (Thus not seen by Ms Garner) An accomplice would be necessary to take the elevator back up 3 floors in 20 secs locking it there approx 70secs post shots.(Dougherty?)

C. The MC rifle with corroded bore and bad scope was planted after the fact hastily. There is an 18 minute delay of Lt.Day arriving to the 6th floor after a rifle was supposedly discovered  on the 6th floor at 1:22 pm  (Boone) . This is according to Tom Aleya’s account.

[Walt Cakebread]

It's a word game...

Corrosion is the process by which certain materials, including iron, deteriorate as a result of oxidation.
Rusting is oxidation of iron in the presence of air and moisture.

Corrosion being present in the barrel indicates the same as rust being there. Had the weapon been fired, the first shot would have removed the corrosion or rust.

EXCELLENT, Martin!...     Depending on how tightly the projectile ( bullet) fit in the barrel some of the "corrosion ( rust) would probably have remained in the bottom of the grooves in the barrel after a bullet was fired through the barrel .....But The theory is that THREE bullets had been fired through the barrel..... It's highly doubtful that any rust (corrosion) would have remained in the barrel after three bullets were fired through the barrel.

Bottom line:..... There was rust present in that barrel..... Conclusion; That rifle was not fired on 11/22/63 

[Walt Cakebread]

At the very least, Bill and Richard concede the scope was out of alignment AFTER the fact when the rifle was found.

And at the very least,  the barrel was corroded and not in the best condition.

So this is still the question I have IF the Premise from Walt Cakebread that the MC rifle  was pre planted, WHY would the conspirator(s) place such a rifle when they could have  found a better quality MC rifle with more pristine bore and an a perfectly good scope in alignment.  AND, they could had fired.a few rounds prior to planting the rifle , thus leaving some gunpowder residue in the chamber/breech and bore.

What  alternatives besides Walt’s theory of Oswald part of CIA plan to have Oswald infiltrate into the Castro regime in Cuba?

A. The conspirator shooter took an MC rifle from Oswald and for some reason pre-planted  it without checking it out.

B. Oswald pre planted a mail order MC purposely with corroded bore and bad scope, while actually using some semi auto rifle with folding stock  This option would entail an escape plan using the East elevator to the 2nd floor in 50 secs. (Thus not seen by Ms Garner) An accomplice would be necessary to take the elevator back up 3 floors in 20 secs locking it there approx 70secs post shots.(Dougherty?)

C. The MC rifle with corroded bore and bad scope was planted after the fact hastily. There is an 18 minute delay of Lt.Day arriving to the 6th floor after a rifle was supposedly discovered  on the 6th floor at 1:22 pm  (Boone) . This is according to Tom Aleya’s account.

"If the MC rifle  was pre planted, WHY would the conspirator(s) place such a rifle when they could have  found a better quality MC rifle with more pristine bore and an a perfectly good scope in alignment.  AND, they could had fired.a few rounds prior to planting the rifle , thus leaving some gunpowder residue in the chamber/breech and bore."

The Carcano was linked to Lee Oswald by the BY photo which the DPD knew existed....Therefore they used the carcano as a "throw down gun."

The conspirators were unconcerned about anybody checking the carcano to see if it had been fired.....The conspirators and the in chief investigators were one and the same.