Next to Oswald's Rifle

[Walt Cakebread]

At the very least, Bill and Richard concede the scope was out of alignment AFTER the fact when the rifle was found.

And at the very least,  the barrel was corroded and not in the best condition.

So this is still the question I have IF the Premise from Walt Cakebread that the MC rifle  was pre planted, WHY would the conspirator(s) place such a rifle when they could have  found a better quality MC rifle with more pristine bore and an a perfectly good scope in alignment.  AND, they could had fired.a few rounds prior to planting the rifle , thus leaving some gunpowder residue in the chamber/breech and bore.

What  alternatives besides Walt’s theory of Oswald part of CIA plan to have Oswald infiltrate into the Castro regime in Cuba?

A. The conspirator shooter took an MC rifle from Oswald and for some reason pre-planted  it without checking it out.

B. Oswald pre planted a mail order MC purposely with corroded bore and bad scope, while actually using some semi auto rifle with folding stock  This option would entail an escape plan using the East elevator to the 2nd floor in 50 secs. (Thus not seen by Ms Garner) An accomplice would be necessary to take the elevator back up 3 floors in 20 secs locking it there approx 70secs post shots.(Dougherty?)

C. The MC rifle with corroded bore and bad scope was planted after the fact hastily. There is an 18 minute delay of Lt.Day arriving to the 6th floor after a rifle was supposedly discovered  on the 6th floor at 1:22 pm  (Boone) . This is according to Tom Aleya’s account.

What  alternatives besides Walt’s theory of Oswald part of CIA plan to have Oswald infiltrate into the Castro regime in Cuba?

Whoa!!....I've never suggested that the scheme to set Lee Oswald up to infiltrate Lee into Cuba was a CIA plot....In fact I don't believe that the scheme originated in the CIA.    I strongly suspect the plot originated with the Kennedy boys, Jack and Bobby, who used George De M . as their contact with Lee Oswald.    After the BOP debacle JFK knew damned well that he couldn't trust the CIA and avoided working with the CIA on any of it's harebrained schemes..... But he (JFK) was desperate to know for sure that all of the Russian missiles and the Russian technicians associated with those missiles had been removed from Cuba. Lee Oswald was an ideal candidate for the job..... He had publicly posed as a friend of Cuba and he spoke and understood Russian.     

[Bill Brown]

Correction:  Had the rifle been recently fired, the first shot would have removed any rust.  However, this shot would not have removed "signs of the effect of wear and corrosion".

This is not a word game.  There is a big difference.

However, this shot would not have removed "signs of the effect of wear and corrosion".

Cite please for the first shot not removing the effect of corrosion.

Frazier said that the interior of the surface of the barrel was roughened from corrosion or wear.  Pitting is an example of the effects of corrosion; holes in the metal of the inside of the barrel.  Holes in the metal would obviously not be removed when the rifle fires off a shot.

It's very important to never state that the inside of the barrel was rusty when examined, for if true it would mean that the rifle did not fire off a shot because if it had, then the rust would have been removed during the process.  Since Frazier did not say the barrel was rusty, for a member here to claim the barrel was rusty is irresponsible.

However, again, holes in the metal of the inside of the barrel (the effects of corrosion) would not be affected when the rifle fires off a shot.

[Paul J Cummings]

IMO the pictures are not of Sturgis. Why would Sturgis hang around Dallas after participating (IMO one of the shooters) in gunning down Kennedy. That team (Cubans) got the hell out of dodge.

[Bill Brown]

At the very least, Bill and Richard concede the scope was out of alignment AFTER the fact when the rifle was found.

And at the very least,  the barrel was corroded and not in the best condition.

So this is still the question I have IF the Premise from Walt Cakebread that the MC rifle  was pre planted, WHY would the conspirator(s) place such a rifle when they could have  found a better quality MC rifle with more pristine bore and an a perfectly good scope in alignment.  AND, they could had fired.a few rounds prior to planting the rifle , thus leaving some gunpowder residue in the chamber/breech and bore.

What  alternatives besides Walt’s theory of Oswald part of CIA plan to have Oswald infiltrate into the Castro regime in Cuba?

A. The conspirator shooter took an MC rifle from Oswald and for some reason pre-planted  it without checking it out.

B. Oswald pre planted a mail order MC purposely with corroded bore and bad scope, while actually using some semi auto rifle with folding stock  This option would entail an escape plan using the East elevator to the 2nd floor in 50 secs. (Thus not seen by Ms Garner) An accomplice would be necessary to take the elevator back up 3 floors in 20 secs locking it there approx 70secs post shots.(Dougherty?)

C. The MC rifle with corroded bore and bad scope was planted after the fact hastily. There is an 18 minute delay of Lt.Day arriving to the 6th floor after a rifle was supposedly discovered  on the 6th floor at 1:22 pm  (Boone) . This is according to Tom Aleya’s account.

At the very least, Bill and Richard concede the scope was out of alignment AFTER the fact when the rifle was found.

No.

The scope was removed in order to test the rifle completely for prints.  When the FBI received the rifle, Frazier said the scope was loose.  The scope was not necessarily "out of alignment" when the rifle was found.  It could have happened when the scope was loosely put back on after searching for prints before being sent off to the FBI.

[Martin Weidmann]

Frazier said that the interior of the surface of the barrel was roughened from corrosion or wear.  Pitting is an example of the effects of corrosion; holes in the metal of the inside of the barrel.  Holes in the metal would obviously not be removed when the rifle fires off a shot.

It's very important to never state that the inside of the barrel was rusty when examined, for if true it would mean that the rifle did not fire off a shot because if it had, then the rust would have been removed during the process.  Since Frazier did not say the barrel was rusty, for a member here to claim the barrel was rusty is irresponsible.

However, again, holes in the metal of the inside of the barrel (the effects of corrosion) would not be affected when the rifle fires off a shot.

Pitting might be an example of the effects of corrosion, but Frazier never said he found pitting. In fact, he did say;

Mr. McCLOY - When you examined the rifle the first time, you said that it showed signs of some corrosion and wear?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - Was it what you would call pitted, were the lands in good shape?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from corrosion or wear.

Since Frazier said that he did not find pitting, for a member here to even suggest that the corrossion or wear in the barrel was or could have been pitting is irresponsible.

[Robert Reeves]

IMO the pictures are not of Sturgis. Why would Sturgis hang around Dallas after participating (IMO one of the shooters) in gunning down Kennedy. That team (Cubans) got the hell out of dodge.

Why not? Why would Frank Sturgis give a flying you know what about yours or anyone else and their perception of the possible consequences re the assassination of JFK? Did this man EVER really truly face the consequences for his actions whilst an employee of the CIA? The CIA officially deny he ever was employed by the agency. The man knew he was untouchable.

Someone posted this interview where Bill O'Reilly questioned Frank Sturgis about Nixon's attempts to get his hands on the bay of pigs and JFK assassination CIA files. I'd never seen it before, it's shocking. The look of Sturgis' face as he replies is astonishing. On national tv this man is threatening Nixon's life.

Frank Sturgis: several times the president (Nixon) asked Mr Helms for the files (Bay of Pigs & JFK's assassination) and Mr Helms refused a direct order from the president of the united states

Bill O'Reilly: what good would it do Richard Nixon to get those files??

Frank Sturgis: I believe that Nixon would have uncovered the true facts that have been covered up for many years about the assassination of president JFK, to take the heat off of him over Watergate.

Bill O'Reilly: Do you think that Richard Nixon was ever in any physical danger?

Frank Sturgis: YES! ABSOLUTELY! He's lucky he didn't get killed. He's lucky he didn't get assassinated like president Kennedy got assassinated

Throw into the mix E.H. Hunt's confession he was involved in the assassination of JFK. Voilà!

[John Mytton]

Pitting might be an example of the effects of corrosion, but Frazier never said he found pitting. In fact, he did say;

Mr. McCLOY - When you examined the rifle the first time, you said that it showed signs of some corrosion and wear?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - Was it what you would call pitted, were the lands in good shape?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from corrosion or wear.

Since Frazier said that he did not find pitting, for a member here to even suggest that the corrossion or wear in the barrel was or could have been pitting is irresponsible.

McCloy asks two questions and Frazier answers the second Question first.

Mr. McCLOY - were the lands in good shape?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners were worn

"and"

Mr. McCLOY - Was it what you would call pitted?,
Mr FRAZIER - the interior of the surface was roughened from corrosion or wear.

Btw didn't "they" need to fire C2766 to produce the three shells by the window, CE399 and the two fragments in the Limo?

JohnM

[Paul J Cummings]

You believe not giving a rats ass is why Sturgis would hang around because he's untouchable? By some readings I've done it's likely that Sturgis left right after the murder via a car. Some reports (not Sturgis) have people flying out of Red Bird in Dallas. Marita Lorenz told HSCA Sturgis, Oswald, Bosch, Diaz brothers and two others drove from Miami to Dallas. I suspect that these individuals left immediately and let the Military intelligence operations take over.

Why not? Why would Frank Sturgis give a flying you know what about yours or anyone else and their perception of the possible consequences re the assassination of JFK? Did this man EVER really truly face the consequences for his actions whilst an employee of the CIA? The CIA officially deny he ever was employed by the agency. The man knew he was untouchable.

Throw into the mix E.H. Hunt's confession he was involved in the assassination of JFK. Voilà!