The Assassination and Mrs. Paine

[Jerry Freeman]

  Why didn't the conspirators just forge another Walker-like note that Oswald would have left with Marina confessing to the JFK assassination?   

Confessing to an action that had not yet even been perpetrated ? 
Knew deep in his heart with no doubt at all that he would be a successful assassin? 

...they order Ruby to kill Oswald to prevent him from exposing the plot. 

Jack Ruby probably supplied the rifles that did the job.
Think he would admit to that?
Or did he really love Kennedy like he said?

[Walt Cakebread]

As was noted before, they let Oswald do this:


Then they order Ruby to kill Oswald to prevent him from exposing the plot. And then they let Ruby do this:


Oswald met with his mother, his brother, his wife, the head of the Dallas Bar Association. He was able to make unmonitored phone calls. He met with the press. Ruby does jailhouse interviews. He talks to his brother and Rabbi and others. He meets with the press.

If you seriously think this was done by the government, they why the heck would they allow all of this to happen? In 30 seconds either man could expose this alleged entire conspiracy. At any time.

Neither Lee nor Ruby were ready to blow the lid......

Ruby said that he feared for the lives of his sister and brother, if he "spilled the beans ".....  And, Lee was still playing the role of
an  undercover agent and feared he would be exposed.... But....He clearly pleaded for help..."I do request for somebody to come to my legal assistance"

[Richard Smith]

As was noted before, they let Oswald do this:


Then they order Ruby to kill Oswald to prevent him from exposing the plot. And then they let Ruby do this:


Oswald met with his mother, his brother, his wife, the head of the Dallas Bar Association. He was able to make unmonitored phone calls. He met with the press. Ruby does jailhouse interviews. He talks to his brother and Rabbi and others. He meets with the press.

If you seriously think this was done by the government, they why the heck would they allow all of this to happen? In 30 seconds either man could expose this alleged entire conspiracy. At any time.

The involvement of Jack Ruby would have been entirely unnecessary in any plot to frame Oswald and then silence him.  There were at least three golden opportunities to kill Oswald while he was in flight when confronted by the police:  1) TSBD, 2) Tippit scene, and 3) Texas Theatre.  Instead we are supposed to believe that they arrested Oswald, allowed him to speak to the world press and his family, recruited Jack Ruby to kill him on national TV, and then somehow had to ensure Ruby never exposed the plot.  HA HA HA.   No one can believe that.  The plotters could also have pulled a Jeffrey Epstein and just claimed Oswald killed himself in jail.  No one would have been the wiser and there would have been no need for Jack Ruby to spend his life in jail with the risk that would have entailed to the plotters.  It's laughable that anyone believes such an implausible narrative.

[Paul J Cummings]

Well I bought the film and watched it once and plan on watching it again. My first observations was Ruth Paine hasn't changed much over the years on what she has told various media. It's been consistent and that's amazing considering how old she is today. There's several areas where I felt like she was giving as much information could based up until November 22, 1963. I think she and her husband after November 22, 1963 where able to connect the rest of the dots about how they were potentially used. As for the interviewer one of the questions I would have asked Ruth did you provide any income in the 1963 calendar year to your household. Plan on watching it again so I'll withhold further comments.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

The familiar "back and to the left" debate as presented in Max Good's film:

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2022/06/the-assassination-and-mrs-paine-back.html

[John Iacoletti]

"jet-effect" LOL

"neuromuscular reaction" LOL

[W. Tracy Parnell]

Was JFK going to pull out of Vietnam?

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2022/06/the-assassination-and-mrs-paine-jfk-and_27.html

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Was JFK going to pull out of Vietnam?

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2022/06/the-assassination-and-mrs-paine-jfk-and_27.html

JFK and Vietnam again? There are two separate questions, questions that bizarre conspiracy advocates like Jim DiEugenio don't see to be able to separate. The first is: "What did JFK plan to do on November 22, 1963?" The second and different question is: "What would JFK have done once it was shown that the South Vietnamese government was incapable of defending itself from the North's aggression without US help?"

The answer to me for the first is: He had no plans to simply leave at the time of his death. The plan was to draw down US troops as the South was able to take on more of the war. But simply not pull out.

Here's a critical quote from the top secret Pentagon Papers which contained the classified memos and communications between the Kennedy White House, State Department and the Pentagon, on the Administration's policies towards South Vietnam following the overthrow of Diem:

"In the course of these policy debates [i.e., how to deal with Diem], several participants pursued the logical but painful conclusion that if the war could not be won with Diem, and if his removal would lead to political chaos and also jeopardize the war effort, then the war was probably unwinnable. If that were the case, the argument went, then the U.S. should really be facing a more basic decision of either an orderly disengagement from an irretrievable situation, or a major escalation of the U.S. involvement, including the use of U.S. combat troops. These prophetic minority voices were, however, raising an unpleasant prospect that the [Kennedy] Administration was unprepared to face at that time. In hindsight, however, it is clear that this was one of the times in the history of our Vietnam involvement when we were making fundamental choices. The option to disengage honorably at that time now appears an attractively low-cost one. But for the Kennedy Administration the costs no doubt appeared much higher. In any event, it proved to be unwilling to accept the implications of predictions for a bleak future. The Administration hewed to the belief that if the US be but willing to exercise its power, it could ultimately have its way in world affairs.

Again: "The Administration [at the time of JFK's death] hewed to the belief that if the US be but willing to exercise its power, it could ultimately have its way in world affairs."

In their accounts of their time in the Administration, McNamara, Rusk and Bundy - along with RFK - all said that there was no plan - none - at the time of JFK's death to leave. None at all.

As to the second question: Nobody knows. I don't think even JFK, if asked at the time, could give an answer.  He would have faced the same problem that LBJ did: surrender the South to the North with all of the consequences that entails, e.g., massive refugee crisis that spills over to the rest of the region, loss of US credibility in that part of the world, et cetera; or send in troops in hopes that American force was sufficient to win.

The Pentagon Papers link is here: https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/arcmedia/research/pentagon-papers/Pentagon-Papers-Part-IV-B-5.pdf