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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #112 on: June 17, 2022, 07:49:48 AM »
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But to think, as many CTers do, that such a timeline can be fine-tuned right down to the exact minute is just not a reasonable thing to believe, IMO.

You mean like the way Dale Myers claims that Tippit was shot at exactly 1:14 and 30 seconds?

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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
« Reply #113 on: June 17, 2022, 08:07:39 AM »
And how many of Vincent Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence would you say are "not evidence at all"? I'm just a little curious to know if any CTer thinks ANY of The VB 53 qualifies as "evidence" or not. Start with Vincent's first 20 items, which are listed HERE.

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"There is a simple fact of life that Warren Commission critics and conspiracy theorists either don't realize or fail to take into consideration, something I learned from my experience as a prosecutor; namely, that you cannot be innocent and yet still have a prodigious amount of highly incriminating evidence against you. That's just not what happens in life. .... With Lee Harvey Oswald, everything, everything points towards his guilt." -- Vincent Bugliosi


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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
« Reply #114 on: June 17, 2022, 08:20:40 AM »
Sorry, I thought we were talking about evidence of murder, not evidence of carrying a gun down the street.

That unlucky Oswald, he flees the building from which many eyewitnesses said shots were fired from, and ends up walking down the street away from a just occurred murder while removing shells and carrying a gun?
IIRC the first Dallas Police shooting since 1961 just happens when Oswald was walking close by, while carrying his gun, geez what are the chances?

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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
« Reply #115 on: June 17, 2022, 08:30:03 AM »
CTers caught lying again.

It's really sad that the influential CT's are just so goddam dishonest and unfortunately the brainless army of CT's who blindly worship these "gods" just repeat and perpetuate the lies.

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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
« Reply #116 on: June 17, 2022, 09:25:27 AM »
Why don't you calculate them and let us know the numbers?

Why are you responding to my question with a question? LMFAO!

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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
« Reply #117 on: June 17, 2022, 11:50:29 AM »
It's really sad that the influential CT's are just so goddam dishonest and unfortunately the brainless army of CT's who blindly worship these "gods" just repeat and perpetuate the lies.

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Says the brainless and dishonest guy who blindly and without question accepts the BS the WC served up and who worships Bugliosli and his so-called 53 pieces of "evidence"   :D

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Re: The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)
« Reply #118 on: June 17, 2022, 11:53:12 AM »
Because it's not the "best evidence". You just call it that. Upon closer inspection it completely falls apart.

Eye witness testimony is the worst kind of evidence you can have. When 5 people watch an accident you will get 5 different versions of what happened. Yet you want us to believe that all these witnesses saw exactly the same thing. Give me a break!

And as far as ballistic proof is concerned, only Nicol claimed he could match one of the bullets taken from Tippit's body to the revolver. All other experts disagreed. And that's not all. You can't even prove that the revolver now in evidence is in fact the revolver that was taken from Oswald at the Texas Theater.

I don't care if it makes sense to you or not, but the events only happened in one way. And that means you will have to take all the evidence into consideration and not just what you like. Markham testified that she took her regular bus to work at 1.15 from a bus stop on Jefferson. So, if Tippit was really shot at 1.15, what in the world was Markham still doing on 10th street?

If you can't even provide a plausible explanation for a simple question like that (instead of just dismissing it as "much-less-reliable "timeline" type of evidence") you haven't got a conclusive case at all.

Still waiting for a plausible explanation by David von Pein for Markham still being on the corner of 10th and Patton at the exact moment that she said she got on her regular bus, on Jefferson, every day.


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Re: ON THE MOVE WITH LEE HARVEY OSWALD ON 11/22/63:
« Reply #119 on: June 17, 2022, 12:23:41 PM »

You mean like the way Dale Myers claims that Tippit was shot at exactly 1:14 and 30 seconds?


Indeed. The WC was clever enough not to give an exact time estimate, but since Myers did we can start placing the sequence of events in context.

Markham and Bowley were towards 10th/Patton each in there own way.

Markham was en route from her home on 9th street to the bus stop on Jefferson where she got on her regular bus to work every day. The distance she had to walk was two blocks which would have taken her no more than 5 minutes. She testified she left home at around 1.06/1.07, which would have gotten her to the bus stop at around 1.11/1.12, well in time for her bus. This means, of course, that she would have passed by the corner of 10th/Patton at around 1.09/1.10.

Bowley told us he had picked up his 12 year old daughter from R.L. Thornton School in Singing Hills at 12.55 and he was on his way to pick up his wife at her place of work (i.r.r.c. on 9th street). The drive from the school to 10th/Patton, along Marsalis Ave, is about 6.3 miles long and takes roughly 13 minutes, making it absolutely possible and plausible for him to arrive at 10th street at 1.10 pm, like he said he did in his affidavit.

But even if we are kind to the LNs and accept that Bowley didn't pick up his daughter on time (leaving her waiting for 5 minutes or longer) and did not leave the school until 1 PM, he still would have arrived at 10th/Patton at 1:13, which of course would have been prior to the shooting of Tippit at 1.14 or 1.15

The only way for Markham and Bowley to arrive at the same location, roughly a minute or two apart, is when both of their time lines as described above are correct.

If Tippit was really killed at 1.14/1.15 there needs to be a plausible explanation for Markham still being on that location at that time and for why Bowley took between 22 and 17 minutes to drive a distance of mere 6.3 miles.

Perhaps this is just too much logic for the LNs to deal with. Could that be?

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Re: ON THE MOVE WITH LEE HARVEY OSWALD ON 11/22/63:
« Reply #119 on: June 17, 2022, 12:23:41 PM »