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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2022, 05:36:24 PM »
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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2022, 08:06:14 PM »

If you dropped the "Oswald" BS and said "the shooter" you might gain a bit of credibility.

Those who ignore statements from those they disagree with never learn anything.

I used to believe in Dr. Alvarez’s “Jet Effect” theory. But after hearing arguments by CTers against it and looking again at William Hoffman’s data, it became clear to me that this data, regarding JFK’s movement from z312-z318, eliminated not only a single shot from the front but also a shot from the back that caused a “Jet Effect” from causing this backwards movement. Neither would cause a constant acceleration of JFK backwards which was several times greater than the much gentler acceleration of the limousine during that time. Only a Neurological Spasm would cause this constant acceleration of JFK’s head and torso backwards, along with his right elbow suddenly rising 6 inches from z315-z318.

One should listen and consider arguments from those one disagrees with.

Missed the first shot by over 60 (sixty) inches?

I would question that number.

Well, it missed the entire limousine. From the angle Oswald shot at, and the evidence is strong enough to say it was Oswald, he would not only have to miss Kennedy and the interior of the limousine he would also have to miss the right side of the limousine, just to miss the entire limousine by the minimum possible amount. Certainly, missing the entire limousine would require a much greater miss, in inches, at z153 than such a miss at z312, when firing from almost straight behind, which would have required only a miss of two to three feet to the right to miss the entire limousine. I have not done any calculations on this, but 5 feet seems to be a reasonable guess. In any case, at z153, a miss of several feet, at a minimum, is needed for a shot aimed at JFK to miss him and the entire limousine.

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2022, 08:29:31 PM »
...the Marines training includes practicing shooting 50-rounds per day for five days at distances up to 500-yards before the qualifying testing begins. In my opinion anyone who qualifies at even the minimum requirements for the marines is well above the average American civilian in shooting abilities.
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Missed the first shot by over 60 (sixty) inches?

 

Well, it missed the entire limousine.

Your average American civilian could do that.  :D
 

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2022, 08:37:19 PM »
Oswald was rated as a little better than average by the marines which made him an excellent shot as against the usual sport hunter. Like they say; you have to be damned good to get to even mediocre in anything
You are not even a mediocre researcher then  :D
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Lee Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter in the Marines in 1956, but his skill deteriorated and by the time he left the Marines, more than four years before the assassination, he was officially 'a rather poor shot'.
    In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’.
    In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.
http://22november1963.org.uk/lee-harvey-oswald-marksman-sharpshooter

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2022, 09:49:08 PM »
Oswald was rated as a little better than average by the marines which made him an excellent shot as against the usual sport hunter. Like they say; you have to be damned good to get to even mediocre in anything
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Oswald was rated as a little better than average by the marines which made him an excellent shot as against the usual sport hunter.

It's a puzzle to me why some folks keep referring to Lee's Marine Corps shooting ability..... It's totally irrelevant.   

Lee was trained to use The M-1 Garand with adjustable  peep & blade sight, which is totally different than the fixed V notch / blade sight of a model 91/39 carcano.

Some ignorant folks think that simply because a man is a good shot with one particular  rifle that he's equally good with some other rifle......    They are simply exposing their ignorance.

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2022, 10:08:27 PM »
You are not even a mediocre researcher then  :D http://22november1963.org.uk/lee-harvey-oswald-marksman-sharpshooter


Oswald was rated as a little better than average by the marines which made him an excellent shot as against the usual sport hunter.

It's a puzzle to me why some folks keep referring to Lee's Marine Corps shooting ability..... It's totally irrelevant.   

Lee was trained to use The M-1 Garand with adjustable  peep & blade sight, which is totally different than the fixed V notch / blade sight of a model 91/38 carcano.

Some ignorant folks think that simply because a man is a good shot with one particular  rifle that he's equally good with some other rifle......    They are simply exposing their ignorance.
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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2022, 01:02:25 AM »
"Lee Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter in the Marines in 1956, but his skill deteriorated and by the time he left the Marines, more than four years before the assassination, he was officially 'a rather poor shot'. In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’. In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’."

http://22november1963.org.uk/lee-harvey-oswald-marksman-sharpshooter
It's worth remembering that a 191 score would require Oswald hitting the target a minimum of 39 times out of 50 rounds, 78% of the time. This assumes he only hit the center of the target or missed completely, minimizing the number of hits required to reach a certain score.


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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2022, 01:06:06 AM »

Oswald was rated as a little better than average by the marines which made him an excellent shot as against the usual sport hunter.

It's a puzzle to me why some folks keep referring to Lee's Marine Corps shooting ability..... It's totally irrelevant.   

Lee was trained to use The M-1 Garand with adjustable  peep & blade sight, which is totally different than the fixed V notch / blade sight of a model 91/38 carcano.

Some ignorant folks think that simply because a man is a good shot with one particular  rifle that he's equally good with some other rifle......    They are simply exposing their ignorance.
A smooth, consistent trigger pull is the single most important factor in good marksmanship, and the hardest to master. Learning the correct sight picture only takes seconds; a proper trigger pull takes considerably longer.

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
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