Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[Jack Nessan]

Thank you, Mr Hawthorn! 

The answer to your question is pretty simple: Mr Oswald was NOT being set up in advance as the actual sixth-floor shooter, still less as a Lone Nut assassin. That ludicrous narrative only got created after the event (for political reasons) by the 'investigating' authorities

It is so obvious that Lovelady is part of the conspiracy.  Lovelady is so very well coached to identify Vickie Adams. What an unbelievable conspiracy was taking place. Fortunately for America we have someone to ferret the conspirators out. Thank you for all you do. If you find any more documents like the Top Secret Adam's WC fake testimony, please post it.

Mr. Ball. Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. Lovelady. I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.
Mr. Ball. Who is Vickie?
Mr. Lovelady. The girl that works for Scott, Foresman.
Mr. Ball. What is her full name?
Mr. Lovelady. I wouldn't know.
Mr. Ball. Vickie Adams?
Mr. Lovelady. I believe so.
Mr. Ball. Would you say it was Vickie you saw?
Mr. Lovelady. I couldn't swear.
Mr. Ball. Where was the girl?
Mr. Lovelady. I don't remember what place she was but I remember seeing a girl as she was talking to Bill or saw Bill or something, then I went over and asked one of the guys what time it was and to see if we should continue working or what.

[Alan Ford]

The Stroud document is a joke, it is only valued by people desperate to believe it has any elevance at all.

Why would anything of any importance be declassified in 1967? The document you are placing so much importance on looks to be completely fabricated. The handwriting looks to be the only legitimate correction.

Wait-----------before I laugh out loud, Mr Nessan, I want to make 100% sure I'm laughing at the right thing.

Are you suggesting that the Stroud letter is completely fabricated?

[Alan Ford]

This one little change in the transcript sure seems to bother you, and it should, it is the only thing that looks real your whole post. The rest looks like made-up tripe.

You're going to need a whole lot more than that one little easily-writable word to convict Ms Adams of being a liar

[Alan Ford]

You are confusing Holme's recanting of LHO's words as being Holme's words.

No----------you are confusing the words you imagine Mr Holmes spoke as being the words Mr Holmes actually spoke.

Here, to help you again, are the latter:

Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.

P.S. You are also confusing 'Holme' with 'Holmes' and 'recant' with 'recount' 

[Alan Ford]

It is so obvious that Lovelady is part of the conspiracy.  Lovelady is so very well coached to identify Vickie Adams. What an unbelievable conspiracy was taking place. Fortunately for America we have someone to ferret the conspirators out. Thank you for all you do. If you find any more documents like the Top Secret Adam's WC fake testimony, please post it.

Mr. Ball. Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. Lovelady. I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.
Mr. Ball. Who is Vickie?
Mr. Lovelady. The girl that works for Scott, Foresman.
Mr. Ball. What is her full name?
Mr. Lovelady. I wouldn't know.
Mr. Ball. Vickie Adams?
Mr. Lovelady. I believe so.
Mr. Ball. Would you say it was Vickie you saw?
Mr. Lovelady. I couldn't swear.
Mr. Ball. Where was the girl?
Mr. Lovelady. I don't remember what place she was but I remember seeing a girl as she was talking to Bill or saw Bill or something, then I went over and asked one of the guys what time it was and to see if we should continue working or what.

Thank you for reminding us that neither Mr Lovelady nor Mr Shelley were willing to swear to seeing Ms Adams or Ms Styles on the first floor! 

Ms Styles has repeatedly backed up Ms Adams on this issue: no Shelley/Lovelady

So literally all you have by way of evidence for your allegation that Ms Adams was a shameless liar is this:



Good luck! 

[John Iacoletti]

Why did Lovelady say “I wouldn’t swear to it it’s Vickie” when Ball didn’t ask him anything about Vickie?

Prior coaching off the record?

[Alan Ford]

Lovelady's admission that he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20-25 minutes after the assassination ends this debate.

Indeed so! The question then becomes:

If Mr Lovelady didn't in fact re-enter the building by the west door with Mr Shelley a few minutes after the shooting, why in the heck are he and Mr Shelley pretending he did?

[Alan Ford]

Why did Lovelady say “I wouldn’t swear to it it’s Vickie” when Ball didn’t ask him anything about Vickie?

Prior coaching off the record?

Yep! And look at how Mr Ball plays dumb:

Mr. Ball. Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. Lovelady. I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.
Mr. Ball. Who is Vickie?
Mr. Lovelady. The girl that works for Scott, Foresman.
Mr. Ball. What is her full name?
Mr. Lovelady. I wouldn't know.
Mr. Ball. Vickie Adams?
Mr. Lovelady. I believe so.