Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[Jim Hawthorn]

It was a Mannlicher Carcano and if it was planted there, it was planted to incriminate Oswald. It is the most incriminating piece of evidence there is.

If it was planted there to incriminate Oswald that would prove that the conspirators had already designated him as the patsy. That wouldn't fit the argument here about that being decided after the assassination.

What makes you believe it hadn't been fired?

All that about the inside of the barrel being rusty.

[Dan O'meara]

If it was planted there to incriminate Oswald that would prove that the conspirators had already designated him as the patsy. That wouldn't fit the argument here about that being decided after the assassination.

That is Alan's argument, no-one else's.
It's apparent from Oswald's reported behaviour before and after the assassination that he was involved in something for which he expected to be arrested (leaving a relatively large amount of cash behind as he had reportedly done before the Walker attempted assassination, leaving his weeding ring behind fits into this narrative as well).
If not the actual assassin, he was heavily involved with the events of that day. If the intention was to set Oswald up as the patsy all along, it is not a stretch to imagine he was under orders to stay out of sight around the time of the assassination.

The idea that it was decided, after the event, to set up Oswald without any pre-planning is seriously undermined by the Backyard Photos (which have been authenticated). They show Oswald holding a rifle indistinguishable from the rifle Tom Alyea filmed being removed from it's hiding place on the 6th floor.

All that about the inside of the barrel being rusty.

I'm pretty sure the upshot of that discussion was that the barrel was not rusty but did show signs of corrosion (which isn't really the same thing).

[Jack Nessan]

Wait-----------before I laugh out loud, Mr Nessan, I want to make 100% sure I'm laughing at the right thing.

Are you suggesting that the Stroud letter is completely fabricated?

Everyone lying is a conspiracist phobia. Mistaken, the math doesn't work. I am sure she believed every word.

[Jack Nessan]

You're going to need a whole lot more than that one little easily-writable word to convict Ms Adams of being a liar

No I don't. Plain to see.

[Jack Nessan]

No----------you are confusing the words you imagine Mr Holmes spoke as being the words Mr Holmes actually spoke.

Here, to help you again, are the latter:

Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.

P.S. You are also confusing 'Holme' with 'Holmes' and 'recant' with 'recount' 

No, You are confusing Holme's recanting of LHO's words as being Holme's words.

[Jack Nessan]

Thank you for reminding us that neither Mr Lovelady nor Mr Shelley were willing to swear to seeing Ms Adams or Ms Styles on the first floor! 

Ms Styles has repeatedly backed up Ms Adams on this issue: no Shelley/Lovelady

So literally all you have by way of evidence for your allegation that Ms Adams was a shameless liar is this:



Good luck! 

Adam's saw them. Shelley and Lovelady were where they said they were.

Quite a double standard. LHO saw Jarman and Norman but Norman and Jarman did not see LHO but you don't have a problem with that statement. Isn't this the first part of:

A Ford: "Mr Oswald's story, in short, did not change one iota between the story he told in his first interrogation Friday afternoon and the story he told in his final interrogation Sunday morning."

Are you ever going to reconcile the Holmes statement with Fritz's to prove your point?

[John Iacoletti]

The decision on who to incriminate could have been made after the fact. Anybody could have been “A Hidell”.

[John Iacoletti]

The idea that it was decided, after the event, to set up Oswald without any pre-planning is seriously undermined by the Backyard Photos (which have been authenticated). They show Oswald holding a rifle indistinguishable from the rifle Tom Alyea filmed being removed from it's hiding place on the 6th floor.

“Indistinguishable” is pretty meaningless when there’s nothing distinctive in the available images.

Besides, we can’t know for a fact that this Carcano rifle was involved in the assassination at all, much less who was in involved in getting it there.