Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[Alan Ford]

If you can produce anything that legitimately backs up your claims that would be new. If you are so sure of the Stroud document by all means elaborate.

So you are arguing that the Stroud document is "completely fabricated"? Yes?

[Dan O'meara]

So by “indistinguishable”, you mean they both look like Mannlicher Carcanos to you in fuzzy, indistinct images.

"fuzzy, indistinct images" 

Are you sure there's not something wrong with your eyesight?

[Jack Nessan]

Oh but we know for a fact that Capt. Fritz---------and not just Captain Fritz----------lied about what Mr Oswald said. Or maybe you're going to suggest that this document is "completely fabricated" too?

What is Fritz's big lie? These claims have a way of usually turning out to be nothing but a farce.

LHO told Holmes he came downstairs to the lunchroom encounter.

Are you out of hokey documents to post?

[Jim Hawthorn]

So maybe he's being set up not as sixth-floor gunman but as having owned & supplied rifle used.

Yes, I can go with that. As I've always thought, the conspirators had their plan and the authorities had theirs (the depiction/use of Oswald as the gunman).
If Oswald supplied the rifle he'd ordered, he musn't have known that the shooting was programmed for November 22nd. He might even have lent the rifle to a friend/contact with no notion that it would be used as an assassination weapon.

And if, as you believe, a Mauser was found on the sixth floor, how would this be part of a plot to frame Mr Oswald as the Lone Nut sixth-floor shooter?

I'm remembering old threads saying that it was a Mauser that had been found initially (described as such by officers). Then there was the notion that the MC was substited before Tom Aylea arrived on the scene to film the extraction. I've been away from the forum for a few years, so all that might have been eliminated as a possibility.

[John Iacoletti]

"fuzzy, indistinct images" 

Are you sure there's not something wrong with your eyesight?

Exactly what about that screams “Carcano”?

[John Iacoletti]

What is Fritz's big lie? These claims have a way of usually turning out to be nothing but a farce.

LHO told Holmes he came downstairs to the lunchroom encounter.

Are you out of hokey documents to post?

Oswald didn’t talk to Holmes. Are you out of hokey claims to post? Holmes couldn’t  even remember what the Coke was about.

[Alan Ford]

What is Fritz's big lie? These claims have a way of usually turning out to be nothing but a farce.

LHO told Holmes he came downstairs to the lunchroom encounter.

Are you out of hokey documents to post?

Are you arguing that the Stroud document is "completely fabricated"? Yes or no, Mr Nessan?

[Alan Ford]

So!

1. Mr Oswald breaks for lunch
2. He goes downstairs (washes up, etc.)
3. He goes to the 2nd floor lunchroom to buy a Coca-Cola from the machine
4. He returns to the 1st floor to eat lunch (noticing Messrs Norman & Jarman as they re-enter the building by the back door)
5. He goes outside to watch the P. Parade (having left it till the last minute as he dislikes small-talk with co-workers)
6. Within seconds of the shots ringing out, he dashes down and off the steps to go out and see what all the excitement is about-------in doing this, he is following Mr Bill Shelley, who has already dashed off the steps
7. The pair go west to the railroad yards and stand around for some time watching the action
8. The pair re-enter the Depository by the west door
9. Mr Oswald is spotted in a small storage room on the first floor
10. Mr Oswald is stopped by Officer Kaminski trying to leave the building: Mr Truly vouches for him, and he is told he may step outside but is not to leave the premises
11. A man flashing credentials comes running to the door and asking for a telephone: Mr Oswald directs him to the phone on the shipping-floor
12. Mr Oswald goes outside and, at some point thereafter, slips away