Letters from Russia

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Of all the folks in this case, I feel the worst for her.  Trying to do a good deed and getting caught up in something like this must be unreal.  The target of endless conspiracy kooks who think she was involved in the frame up of a presidential assassin.  That must be surreal.  Even Marina who had ample cause to be grateful to her for providing for her family immediately turned on her.  I would love to see some of the nuts here have to engage the real person instead of whatever fictionalized character they have concocted as part of their conspiracy fantasy.

We can say this about a lot of people that are smeared and defamed; no not LBJ or Hoover or Dulles or historic figures. They could defend themselves and we are free, for better or worse, to accuse them of crimes. It comes with the power they wielded.

It's the ordinary people that they attack that irritates me. These people are not around to defend themselves, to defend their names. They were just caught up in all of those terrible events and were overwhelmed by them.

But no, let's attack them anyway. Day after day, for years this is what is done. There are a lot of decent, honest conspiracy believers who are sincere if not wrong (in my view). But not all of them are like that. The followers of Garrison - the Oliver Stones and his adherents (who I don't even want to name). These are awful, awful people. If it was proven that Ruth had nothing to do with the assassination do you think they would apologize? With sincerity? Heck no, they'd just move on to another person.

[Bill Brown]

We can say this about a lot of people that are smeared and defamed; no not LBJ or Hoover or Dulles or historic figures. They could defend themselves and we are free, for better or worse, to accuse them of crimes. It comes with the power they wielded.

It's the ordinary people that they attack that irritates me. These people are not around to defend themselves, to defend their names. They were just caught up in all of those terrible events and were overwhelmed by them.

But no, let's attack them anyway. Day after day, for years this is what is done. There are a lot of decent, honest conspiracy believers who are sincere if not wrong (in my view). But not all of them are like that. The followers of Garrison - the Oliver Stones and his adherents (who I don't even want to name). These are awful, awful people. If it was proven that Ruth had nothing to do with the assassination do you think they would apologize? With sincerity? Heck no, they'd just move on to another person.

If it was proven that Ruth had nothing to do with the assassination do you think they would apologize? With sincerity? Heck no, they'd just move on to another person.

Agreed.

[Richard Smith]

Oswald's daughters are also real women.

Yet there no end to what you and the Paine As I was walking a' alane, I heard twa corbies makin' a mane. The tane untae the tither did say, Whaur sail we gang and dine the day, O. Whaur sail we gang and dine the day?  It's in ahint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight; And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair, O. But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair.  His hound is to the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild-fowl hame, His lady ta'en anither mate, So we may mak' our dinner swate, O. So we may mak' our dinner swate.  Ye'll sit on his white hause-bane, And I'll pike oot his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare, O. We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare.  There's mony a ane for him maks mane But nane sail ken whaur he is gane O'er his white banes when they are bare The wind sail blaw for evermair, O. The wind sail blaw for evermair.' will accuse their father of.

Hypocrite.

So angry.  I'm sure Oswald's daughters have had a difficult life bearing his murderous legacy.  That is unfortunate, but solely and completely the fault of LHO.  I gather that they don't hold him in much esteem.

June Oswald:

I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. He beat my mother. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. We lived in poor housing, or were taken in by others. So if I'm able to be detached or seem cold and unemotional about it, it's because I look at Lee in those terms.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

So angry.  I'm sure Oswald's daughters have had a difficult life bearing his murderous legacy.  That is unfortunate, but solely and completely the fault of LHO.  I gather that they don't hold him in much esteem.

June Oswald:

I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. He beat my mother. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. We lived in poor housing, or were taken in by others. So if I'm able to be detached or seem cold and unemotional about it, it's because I look at Lee in those terms.

This is where they say June was/is CIA too.

One side says: Lee Oswald, based on evidence by multiple investigations over decades, killed JFK and Tippit.

The other side says: Oswald was innocent. He was framed. Ruth Paine and Michael Paine conspired to kill JFK. And Markham and Brennan and Calloway and Roberts and on and on....a cast of dozens if not more all lied/conspired in the framing of Oswald. Based on no investigation whatsoever.

Which side wants to seize the high ground here?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Another of your wet dreams, but she's running out of time.

The conspiracy hero Jim Garrison had Ruth Paine testify twice: in front of his grand jury and in the Shaw trial.

He found zip. Nothing. Not a whiff.

Let's get some of these conspiracy advocates who make these accusations about all sorts of people do so under oath.

[Charles Collins]

The real victim in all of this was JFK (and his family). Sometimes I think that we tend to overlook that.

[Richard Smith]

This is where they say June was/is CIA too.

One side says: Lee Oswald, based on evidence by multiple investigations over decades, killed JFK and Tippit.

The other side says: Oswald was innocent. He was framed. Ruth Paine and Michael Paine conspired to kill JFK. And Markham and Brennan and Calloway and Roberts and on and on....a cast of dozens if not more all lied/conspired in the framing of Oswald. Based on no investigation whatsoever.

Which side wants to seize the high ground here?

Yes, the CIA obviously got to June.  Coercing her with unspecified threats of retaliation etc. Cue sinister music. The semi-interesting thing here is that Ruth Paine never actually said much to implicate Oswald in the assassination.  She could have made many incriminatory statements if she were part of some plot to frame Oswald (e.g. he hated JFK, owned a rifle, carried a long bag that morning).  The pathological hatred of a woman who merely did a good deed for LHO and his family is downright bizarre.  Even by the low standards of CTers.

[Bill Chapman]

While being a part of a couple guys who were personally escorting Ruth Paine around Dallas for a 3 day weekend back in September of 2019 (while she was in town to attend the premiere of "Truth Is The Only Client" at the Texas Theater), I got to hold in my hands an envelope which, in 1963, contained one of the letters Oswald wrote home.

This is Oswald's own handwriting and most likely contained his DNA.

I know I'm boasting a little bit but I don't mean it to come across that way.  I just figured some members here would find this kind of neat.

Envelope from one of the letters Oswald sent home from Minsk...


With Ruth inside the house in Irving (9/21/19)...


Lunch with Ruth at the Cheesecake Factory before heading over to the premiere (9/22/19)...

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