Progress... Have we made any ?.....

[Richard Smith]

But "Lee" has a non sinister sound .....   and that's not what the LNer's want.  From the time that Lee was arrested at the theater they immediately started referring to Lee as "Lee Harvey Oswald" With harsh sounding tones....  Similar to Snidely Whiplash,  or John Wilkes Booth or Machine gun Kelley ..... as a way of letting the listener know that this man was pure evil.

Our own Lil Chappie has not been able to see Lee in any other light..... He thinks that Lee was the very essence of evil...perhaps he believes that Lee was the devil in the flesh.....

Who is "they"?  The press?  "Harsh sounding tones"!  How else might someone perceive a traitor who defected to the USSR and then murdered the President and a police officer?  Unreal.

[Walt Cakebread]

All together now:

LOL

Mr "smith" has accepted the official tale and he simply lacks the guts to face reality.    There are some folks who would cut off their nose to avoid having to smell lilacs if the official position was that lilacs were putrid and the state flower of North Korea....

[Richard Smith]

Mr "smith" has accepted the official tale and he simply lacks the guts to face reality.    There are some folks who would cut off their nose to avoid having to smell lilacs if the official position was that lilacs were putrid and the state flower of North Korea....

Why do you think I have some type of bias against Oswald or a conspiracy conclusion in the JFK assassination?  I accept that there was a conspiracy to kill President Lincoln because that is what the evidence in that case confirms.  I'm not opposed to a conspiracy conclusion.  What is lacking is evidence of a JFK conspiracy.  It's the evidence that makes the historical determination.  Not me.

[Walt Cakebread]

Who is "they"?  The press?  "Harsh sounding tones"!  How else might someone perceive a traitor who defected to the USSR and then murdered the President and a police officer?  Unreal.

 How else might someone perceive a traitor who defected to the USSR and then murdered the President and a police officer?

Bingo!!.... You , Mr "Smith" have been duped like many other unthinking simpletons.

Lee Oswald wasn't a traitor who defected to the USSR....  He went there at the request of the US government.   I know that you believe that Lee was a traitor and that's part of your motivation .......And he didn't murder JFK.... But you believe that he did in spite of the evidence that he did not.....   And he didn't murder a police officer. 

You tell one lie after another in an effort to support your views.....  The truth doesn't need to be propped up by lies....The truth will stand alone.   And the truth is:... Lee told Captain fritz that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom at the time he saw Jarman and Norman walk by that lunchroom....  Jarman confirmed that they had in deed walked by that lunchroom at about 12:26.   And that's the truth......

[Jim Hawthorn]

The conspirators knew that they couldn't force Lee to do anything....They knew that he had to believe that it was his idea....and Lee knew that was a very real danger of actually being at that window with a rifle....He knew that he might get shot by a Secret Service agent if he was actually at that window...So he said he would leave the shells and the rifle as evidence that it was he who had taken a potshot at the president.....( just as he had at Walker's) and he would be out of sight  in the first floor lunchroom and toilet and shower facility.     

I think it looks more like Oswald didn't know that the hit was actually going to happen outside the TSBD. I think he was involved with the conspirators but they had given him a role to play which bore no relation whatsoever to the assassination. I'd say that he was ordered to be in the Domino Room at that time (to meet someone? to be near the phone? to...). Once all hell broke loose, he soon realised that there was a risk that he was being set up and took off to get his gun from home.

[Walt Cakebread]

I think it looks more like Oswald didn't know that the hit was actually going to happen outside the TSBD. I think he was involved with the conspirators but they had given him a role to play which bore no relation whatsoever to the assassination. I'd say that he was ordered to be in the Domino Room at that time (to meet someone? to be near the phone? to...). Once all hell broke loose, he soon realised that there was a risk that he was being set up and took off to get his gun from home.

I believe you're on the right track....However your first sentence, says:  "I think it looks more like Oswald didn't know that the hit was actually going to happen outside the TSBD."    And that could infer that Lee knew that JFK was going to be murdered.    I seriously doubt that he knew that JFK was going to be shot.    I doubt that he would have allowed that to happen.... I'm certain that he would not have played the role he did ( A hoax attempt ) if he had known that there were killers awaiting  the arrival of JFK.

[Jim Hawthorn]

I believe you're on the right track....However your first sentence, says:  "I think it looks more like Oswald didn't know that the hit was actually going to happen outside the TSBD."    And that could infer that Lee knew that JFK was going to be murdered.    I seriously doubt that he knew that JFK was going to be shot.    I doubt that he would have allowed that to happen.... I'm certain that he would not have played the role he did ( A hoax attempt ) if he had known that there were killers awaiting  the arrival of JFK.

Yes, I can go with that too. They could have played Oswald with a carrot leading him to Cuba or whatever else. They just had to have him in that building, that room, nice and tucked away when the bullets flew.

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, I can go with that too. They could have played Oswald with a carrot leading him to Cuba or whatever else. They just had to have him in that building, that room, nice and tucked away when the bullets flew.

It must have hit him like a ton of bricks when he learned that JFK had been killed....as it did for nearly everybody who was old enough to understand .....