Progress... Have we made any ?.....

[Walt Cakebread]

So the idea is they planted his rifle and discovered it before his co-workers were interviewed about him, about where he was and they were at the time of the shooting. If they give him an alibi - "Lee was with us on the steps at the time" - then their whole plan collapses. Or if he shows up in the Altgens photo or some other film/photo then it also falls apart. This is the murder of the president not the framing of a guy for murdering a gas station attendant. Everyone will be interviewed again and again and again. As they were. How do you keep it quiet?

His alibi would be discovered. They could not squash it forever.

Moreover, they then went through a similar process in framing him (for who knows what reason) the shooting of Tippit. Oswald is setup before all of the witnesses are interviewed. If they go to the lineups or are shown photos of him and say, "Nope, that's not the guy" or they or the media find eyewitnesses elsewhere who say "Oswald was with us" the framing of him here also collapses. Again, this is about the murder of JFK and not some 7/11 clerk. It's going to be gone over again and again.

This is just one part of this alleged conspiracy. They cannot do this. It cannot be done. Not and kept quiet.

But in conspiracy world - the world of "the CIA" and "the war state" and "the military industrial complex" - anything can be done. Their view of American institutions is so dark that they believe they could do this. And that all sorts of ordinary Americans would go along. It's a view of the US and of how real human being behave that we simply cannot reason with.

One of two things is happening here: either we lone assassin believers are complete fools, misled by "the government", conned into believing things that didn't happened, essentially living in a "Matrix" world; or the conspiracy believers live in a unreal world,  a make believe world where nearly all powerful evil people and institutions - "the CIA!" "the military industrial complex! "Operation Northwoods! - covertly run the country. There is no middle ground.

before his co-workers were interviewed about him, about where he was and they were at the time of the shooting. If they give him an alibi - "Lee was with us on the steps at the time" - then their whole plan collapses

They knew where Lee was and knew that he wouldn't allow himself to be seen at the time that he was supposed to be firing shots AT AT AT JFK.   (Just as he had fired a shot AT AT AT General Walker.)  If Lee had decided to back out of the plot to get him into Cuba, and had been anywhere that could be confirmed by his fellow TSBD workers then they would not have fired that loud firecracker that was the signal to the snipers to open fire.  They knew that Lee was out of sight and thought that they would be successful in framing him as the lone nut assassin.  They didn't count on Jarman and Norman walking by the lunchroom at 12:26  and Lee would be able to use them as a rock solid alibi.   Lee saw Jarman and Norman walk by the lunchroom at 12:26 and he told Captain Fritz that he'd seen them walk by.   THAT was a big mistake.... Fritz realized that If Lee had a attorney and Oswald told his attorney that he had seen J&N walk by the lunchroom just a couple of minutes before the murder then he and his confederates would be headed for the gallows.  In desperation Fritz set Lee up to be shot by Jack Ruby.... 

[Alan J. Ford]

Question:....   Mauser or Carcano?    At this late date we should have reached a firm unanimous  conclusion about what kind of rifle was found buried beneath the pallet of books in the NW corner of the sixth floor.  I believe that we will never have 100% in agreement.... but at this late date and the solid photographic evidence available ( Alyea film and many others) we should be near 100% in agreement about that rifle. 

If we can't agree on the answer to this simple question ....then there is no hope of ever finding answers to the more important questions.  Like:....  How did Lee Oswald know that Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walked by the first floor lunchroom at 12:26??

An excellent point @ the 12:26PM time stamp, Mr. Cakebread, confirming the wrongly-accused was downstairs in the rear of the building, rather than lurking in ambush way up on the sixth floor in the front of the building (please excuse the eyeroll).

The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

That said, without a doubt, the rifle found was a German Mauser. Everything that came after that legitimate discovery was manufactured "evidence" amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.

[John Iacoletti]

This is the usual “the conspiracy I just made up in my head would never do something like this, therefore Oswald did it” strawman.

Time to get a new script.

[Jerry Organ]

One of two things is happening here: either we lone assassin believers are complete fools, misled by "the government", conned into believing things that didn't happened, essentially living in a "Matrix" world;

Like Republicans who believe their party's "gaslighting", per Ashli Babbitt was "set up in an ambush".

or the conspiracy believers live in a unreal world,  a make believe world, the world of Garrison and Oliver Stone where nearly all powerful evil people and institutions - "the CIA!" "the military industrial complex! "Operation Northwoods! - covertly run the country. There is no middle ground.

Like "big tent" Republican conspiracy spreaders who believe Democrats are Satanists who eat babies.

I don't know where Earl Warren got the idea that Americans weren't "conspiracy-minded" -- that conspiracy-mongering was an European (read "liberal-socialist-commie") thing. Maybe Earl Warren and top-level politicians tend to live in some Country Club elitist bubble.

[Walt Cakebread]

You don't need the "or" part.

we lone assassin believers are complete fools, misled by "the government", conned into believing things that didn't happened, essentially living in a "Matrix" world;

 

we lone assassin believers are complete fools,

You could have stopped at that, Mr Beck.... The LNer's are in fact a bunch of gutless fools who lack the guts to open their eyes to reality......  ( "None is so blind as he who will not open his eyes and... see)

The conspirators counted on them and knew that a vast majority would be afraid to face reality.  At the top of the list of gutless cowards was the Warren Commissioners.... 

They had the evidence and facts right there in front of them but were afraid that the American public would riot and destroy the country if it were revealed that the murder of JFK was simply an old fashioned coup d 'etat.....with LBJ slathering at the bit 
to take control.

[Walt Cakebread]

One of them (see above post by me).

Try to keep up, I already corrected you on this BS claim.

That's demented even by your standards.

Your straw man was devoid of logic so you're kinda right on this one, incidentally.

But some witness allegedly got the color of Oswald's shirt wrong while viewing him through a window in a six-story building and/or estimated his age incorrectly by a few years (no future career in the circus for them).

Try to keep up, I already corrected you on this BS claim.

Some witnesses???....virtually ALL of the witnesses who saw a man behind a sixth floor window  said that the man was wearing a LIGHT  COLORED shirt......  There was not a single witness who reported that the man was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt...And Lee Oswald was in fact wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt.

Don't you ever get tired of lying Mr "smith??"

[Richard Smith]

before his co-workers were interviewed about him, about where he was and they were at the time of the shooting. If they give him an alibi - "Lee was with us on the steps at the time" - then their whole plan collapses

They knew where Lee was and knew that he wouldn't allow himself to be seen at the time that he was supposed to be firing shots AT AT AT JFK.   (Just as he had fired a shot AT AT AT General Walker.)  If Lee had decided to back out of the plot to get him into Cuba, and had been anywhere that could be confirmed by his fellow TSBD workers then they would not have fired that loud firecracker that was the signal to the snipers to open fire.  They knew that Lee was out of sight and thought that they would be successful in framing him as the lone nut assassin.  They didn't count on Jarman and Norman walking by the lunchroom at 12:26  and Lee would be able to use them as a rock solid alibi.   Lee saw Jarman and Norman walk by the lunchroom at 12:26 and he told Captain Fritz that he'd seen them walk by.   THAT was a big mistake.... Fritz realized that If Lee had a attorney and Oswald told his attorney that he had seen J&N walk by the lunchroom just a couple of minutes before the murder then he and his confederates would be headed for the gallows.  In desperation Fritz set Lee up to be shot by Jack Ruby....

Another great example of logic fallacy.  If Oswald was part of the conspiracy, then why not as the shooter on the 6th floor?  LOL.  At the very least, the conspirators would have kept Oswald on the 6th floor under some pretext to avoid the very real risk that he otherwise might have been in the presence of someone in the building at the moment of the assassination.  Providing him with an alibi.  You honestly think the plan was to frame Oswald for the crime but allow him to roam about the building to be seen by anyone?  Good grief.

[Bill Chapman]

But some witness allegedly got the color of Oswald's shirt wrong while viewing him through a window in a six-story building and/or estimated his age incorrectly by a few years (no future career in the circus for them).

Try to keep up, I already corrected you on this BS claim.

Some witnesses???....virtually ALL of the witnesses who saw a man behind a sixth floor window  said that the man was wearing a LIGHT  COLORED shirt......  There was not a single witness who reported that the man was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt...And Lee Oswald was in fact wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt.

Don't you ever get tired of lying Mr "smith??"

'Some witnesses???....virtually ALL of the witnesses who saw a man behind a sixth floor window  said that the man was wearing a LIGHT  COLORED shirt......  There was not a single witness who reported that the man was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt...And Lee Oswald was in fact wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt.'

There you go again, ignoring the weather
Like the blazing sun flooding over Oswald

Dude, get in the mood:
Here Comes the Sun/The Beatles
Sunny Days/Lighthouse

Here, get a clue


billchapman