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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2022, 08:09:16 PM »
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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2022, 08:13:52 PM »
He needs to change his last name to Oswald and get some of these guys on the jury. He'll walk.

The late John McAdams once observed the number of conspiracists who "identified with Oswald as kind of a victim.....somebody who was treated badly by the authorities" and how they often refer to him as "Lee" or "Ozzie." "Poor Lee."

It is strange how they have none of this empathy for others, no concern about them being mistreated by the authorities. Garrison is usually given a pass for his abuses. Of Shaw. Of Ferrie. Of even Oswald. Ruth Paine is smeared. Others accused of treason. No compassion for them.

Yes, it would take a psychiatrist to sort it out.  I'm not sure if it has anything to do with Oswald per se or he is just the mechanism to exercise some other psychological motivation.  There are two basic reasons for being a JFK CTer that I often see on display here. 

First, many CTers can't distinguish information from knowledge.  The forest and trees analogy. There are endless amounts of information in the world.  When you conduct a pedantic analysis of any event, you will find some oddities, inconsistencies, or actions for which there is incomplete information to explain.  They are effectively overwhelmed by these details. While certain information is necessary to obtain knowledge, if they are unable to distinguish the relevant from the non-relevant by applying logic and common sense, it becomes a morass.  For CTers, the inability to distinguish all this information from knowledge means that "something" more must have gone on despite the obvious evidence of Oswald's guilt.  What exactly happened they can't or won't articulate because they don't know but where there is smoke there is fire.  Unfortunately for them, as the Billy Joel song goes, that particular fire has been burning since the world has been turning. 

Second, there is a world view held by some individuals that no important human event can be attributed merely to chance.  It is all being directed by some guiding hand. They are all over the place about who is controlling these events with some vague reference to the "government" in most instances depending on whatever paranoid axe they have to grind.  In some strange way this may give them comfort that someone - even a sinister group - is in control of important events and we are not at the mercy of random forces.  It doesn't even seem to really matter to them who.  The objective appears to be dispel any notion that one lone nut like Oswald can influence world events to such a degree. 

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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2022, 08:14:13 PM »
Nor quash it. But they could still eat squash. And play squash.
I need a better editor. I'll go back and change it and nobody will ever know. You know how us CIA disinformation agents operate. We're devious like that.
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2022, 08:30:55 PM »
Yes, it would take a psychiatrist to sort it out.  I'm not sure if it has anything to do with Oswald per se or he is just the mechanism to exercise some other psychological motivation.  There are two basic reasons for being a JFK CTer that I often see on display here. 

First, many CTers can't distinguish information from knowledge.  The forest and trees analogy. There are endless amounts of information in the world.  When you conduct a pedantic analysis of any event, you will find some oddities, inconsistencies, or actions for which there is incomplete information to explain.  They are effectively overwhelmed by these details. While certain information is necessary to obtain knowledge, if they are unable to distinguish the relevant from the non-relevant by applying logic and common sense, it becomes a morass.  For CTers, the inability to distinguish all this information from knowledge means that "something" more must have gone on despite the obvious evidence of Oswald's guilt.  What exactly happened they can't or won't articulate because they don't know but where there is smoke there is fire.  Unfortunately for them, as the Billy Joel song goes, that particular fire has been burning since the world has been turning. 

Second, there is a world view held by some individuals that no important human event can be attributed merely to chance.  It is all being directed by some guiding hand. They are all over the place about who is controlling these events with some vague reference to the "government" in most instances depending on whatever paranoid axe they have to grind.  In some strange way this may give them comfort that someone - even a sinister group - is in control of important events and we are not at the mercy of random forces.  It doesn't even seem to really matter to them who.  The objective appears to be dispel any notion that one lone nut like Oswald can influence world events to such a degree.
Your first point is spot on. But they start with the belief in a conspiracy and fit all of this information, all of this material, into their theory. It has to fit, there are no innocent explanations for it. As in: Ruth Paine goes down to Nicaragua on a program of the  Quakers helping the campesinos. She's monitoring their work, accounting for their efforts. But to the conspiracists it has to be part of the assassination: she's really working for "Langley". If it's just a hobby, a passing game, then okay I guess; but these are serious people. Crazy, just crazy. But they think we're crazy <g>.

It's odd that Oswald was "mistreated" by Garrison but he gets a pass. All of the complaints they make about the Warren Commission not recognizing Oswald's "rights" or not allowing him to be defended never apply to what Garrison did to him. And others. In open court.

Garrison accused Oswald of all sorts of crimes. And other things. The "homosexual thrill kill" nonsense. Ferrie was dead but he was accused of the conspiracy to murder JFK. None of this talk about the rights of him are raised.

Why does Garrison get a pass here?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2022, 10:41:01 PM »
and how they often refer to him as "Lee"

What should they refer to him as instead? Henry? That’s his name.

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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2022, 10:44:09 PM »
Yes, it would take a psychiatrist to sort it out.  I'm not sure if it has anything to do with Oswald per se or he is just the mechanism to exercise some other psychological motivation. 

Let’s talk about the psychological motivation behind “Richard” continually lying about and misrepresenting the evidence.
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2022, 10:47:09 PM »
commonly accepted facts

All together now:

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« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2022, 10:55:43 PM »
What should they refer to him as instead? Henry? That’s his name.

But "Lee" has a non sinister sound .....   and that's not what the LNer's want.  From the time that Lee was arrested at the theater they immediately started referring to Lee as "Lee Harvey Oswald" With harsh sounding tones....  Similar to Snidely Whiplash,  or John Wilkes Booth or Machine gun Kelley ..... as a way of letting the listener know that this man was pure evil.

Our own Lil Chappie has not been able to see Lee in any other light..... He thinks that Lee was the very essence of evil...perhaps he believes that Lee was the devil in the flesh.....
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