Progress... Have we made any ?.....

[Jim Hawthorn]

"Looney universe" is when someone turns a CT theory (Oswald in the Domino Room at 12:25/26) into an LN theory. Then they take the four minutes between the alleged sighting of Norman/Jarman on the first floor and the shooting, and magically condense it to two minutes.

Than throw in Arnold Rowland's incredible claims and Oswald's "zooming" downstairs. Like such myth-spinning and dramatics would substitute for the "Warren Report" and books like "Case Closed", "JFK First Day Evidence" and "Reclaiming History"?

2 minutes, 4 minutes, 5 minutes whatever - if he was a calculated gunman, Oswald simply wouldn't go up to the 6th floor and expect the lift, the stairs or the floor to be empty. He was in the Domino Room the whole time obviously.

[John Iacoletti]

"Looney universe" is when someone turns a CT theory (Oswald in the Domino Room at 12:25/26) into an LN theory. Then they take the four minutes between the alleged sighting of Norman/Jarman on the first floor and the shooting, and magically condense it to two minutes.

Norman testified that he and Jarman didn’t return to the building until after they got word that the motorcade was on Main. If you believe that the timestamps on the police radio transcripts are accurate (and what WC evangelist doesn’t) then that didn’t happen until 12:28.

[Dan O'meara]

Would you bet the farm on Rowiand?
I'd wager that his wife wouldn't

Barbara Rowland confirms that Arnold was telling his story about the man with the rifle on the 6th floor 15 minutes before the motorcade.
At least four law enforcement officers confirm that, in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, Rowland told them about the man with the rifle.

If you want to leave yourself in the ridiculous position of believing that Rowland made up a story about a man on the 6th floor holding a scoped rifle and that, by some miraculous coincidence, there was a man with a scoped rifle on the 6th floor. go right ahead.
If you want to believe Rowland's description of the man just happens to be the same as three other eye witnesses, then go right ahead.

You are clearly a believer in the "Miracle on Elm Street".
I, clearly, am not.

[Jerry Organ]

Norman testified that he and Jarman didn’t return to the building until after they got word that the motorcade was on Main. If you believe that the timestamps on the police radio transcripts are accurate (and what WC evangelist doesn’t) then that didn’t happen until 12:28.

The motorcade turned off of Main onto Houston at 12:29 but it turned onto Main from Harwood at 12:22 or 12:23.

12:20-21: "About to cross Live Oak" (They're still on Harwood, about three blocks north of Main)

12:22: "Escort drop back, go read slow speed now. Approaching Main." (Harwood and Main are eleven blocks from Dealey Plaza and the motorcade becomes slowed by the crowd)

12:24 (est.): "Just crossing Ervay Street" (Transcript doesn't specify a time; they're on Main, two blocks from Harwood)

12:25: "Crossing Lamar now." (On Main, four blocks from Dealey Plaza)

12:28: "Just crossing Market Street." (On Main, two blocks from Dealey Plaza)
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25.

Representative FORD - This was about what time?
Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

[Walt Cakebread]

The motorcade turned off of Main onto Houston at 12:29 but it turned onto Main from Harwood at 12:22 or 12:23.

12:20-21: "About to cross Live Oak" (They're still on Harwood, about three blocks north of Main)

12:22: "Escort drop back, go read slow speed now. Approaching Main." (Harwood and Main are eleven blocks from Dealey Plaza and the motorcade becomes slowed by the crowd)

12:24 (est.): "Just crossing Ervay Street" (Transcript doesn't specify a time; they're on Main, two blocks from Harwood)

12:25: "Crossing Lamar now." (On Main, four blocks from Dealey Plaza)

12:28: "Just crossing Market Street." (On Main, two blocks from Dealey Plaza)
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25.

Representative FORD - This was about what time?
Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walked by the first floor lunch room on their way to the elevator to take them to the 5th floor.   Lee Oswald was in that lunchroom and he saw them walk by.  Several witnesses on the street below, saw a man who was wearing a light colored shirt behind a sixth floor window at the time that the motorcade was approaching  Dealey Plaza. This was at the same time that Lee Oswald who was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt was eating lunch in the first flor lunchroom and saw Jarman and Norman walk by. 

[Jerry Organ]

Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walked by the first floor lunch room on their way to the elevator to take them to the 5th floor.   Lee Oswald was in that lunchroom and he saw them walk by.  Several witnesses on the street below, saw a man who was wearing a light colored shirt behind a sixth floor window at the time that the motorcade was approaching  Dealey Plaza. This was at the same time that Lee Oswald who was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt was eating lunch in the first flor lunchroom and saw Jarman and Norman walk by.

That's nice. And I'm betting it doesn't matter one iota to you that Oswald's shirt appeared light when in sunlight.

[Walt Cakebread]

That's nice. And I'm betting it doesn't matter one iota to you that Oswald's shirt appeared light when in sunlight.

You're showing your desperation ..... In trying to change the color of Lee's shirt, and his location at 12:28....

Do you realize how foolish you look Jerry?......   

[John Iacoletti]

The question is, how did Norman and Jarman hear that the motorcade was on Main. Because the police radio doesn’t say they’re on Main until after the dispatcher says “12:28”.