The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[Walt Cakebread]

since Imo Oswald was NOT the 6th floor TSBD shooter (for a myriad of reasons) , then some other shooter either fired the MC rifle or he used some other rifle.

If the TSBD shooter Used another rifle, and also planted an MC rifle to frame Oswald ,  then he likely would  have pre planted  the MC rifle and made sure it was WELL hidden so as not to be inadvertently  discovered by some employee moving a few boxes. Therefore  Walt’s proposition that the original location of the MC may have been INSIDE a pallet stacked full of boxes is plausible. This one possible solution  to explain how Weitzman could see a rifle while he was  looking westward thru the open part of a pallet stacked full of boxes.

The only way to prove  an alternative LOS solution for  Weitzman would require analysis  of the diagonal line from the southeast corner of the pallet to the north west corner of the pallet and if that diagonal lines up with the location of the rifle. There also would have to be a missing box at ground level as in in the photo of the rifle For such a diagonal LOS to be plausible.

The only way to prove  an alternative LOS solution for  Weitzman would require analysis  of the diagonal line from the southeast corner of the pallet to the north west corner of the pallet and if that diagonal lines up with the location of the rifle. There also would have to be a missing box at ground level as in in the photo of the rifle For such a diagonal LOS to be plausible.

It's not that complicated..... Weitzman said that he was shining his flashlight beneath the pallet when he saw the rifle.

If he was shining his flashlight beneath the pallet and looking beneath the pallet...He was NOT looking above the pallet and looking north west....   And he couldn't have looked NW from his position because there were boxes that blocked his view.

[Dan O'meara]

A person cannot use fake photos to verify what a scene looked like before anything was moved.

I don't wish to debate this any longer, Dan.   Seymour Weitzman said that he was down on the floor a LOOKING BENEATH THE FLAT when he saw the rifle.   He could not have shined his flashlight on the rifle and he couldn't have seen the rifle if it was sandwiched
between the boxes, because there were boxes that obstructed his view.    But that's beside the point....He was looking BENEATH THE PALLET when he saw the rifle.

I don't wish to debate this any longer, Dan.

Debate??
There's been no debate Walt.
As I posted earlier about your proposed scenario:

This is 100% fantasy.
You have completely made all of this up and there is zero/nil/no evidence to support this fantasy.
How is it possible to have a reasonable debate with someone who puts their own fantasy over the evidence?

To which you unabashedly responded:

Yes it is "made up"

There's been no debate.

[Walt Cakebread]

I don't wish to debate this any longer, Dan.

Debate??
There's been no debate Walt.
As I posted earlier about your proposed scenario:

This is 100% fantasy.
You have completely made all of this up and there is zero/nil/no evidence to support this fantasy.
How is it possible to have a reasonable debate with someone who puts their own fantasy over the evidence?

To which you unabashedly responded:

Yes it is "made up"

There's been no debate.

Dan, you're being dishonest.... You know that I was making up the part about they planned to kill Lee Oswald on the sixth floor and leave the carcano beside his body....But if he wasn't there, they would leave the rifle hidden along his escape route ......

Lee wasn't on the sixth floor ( he was in the Domino room)

I'm sorry if you don't like that idea..... But Don't be dishonest and say I made up the part about Seymour Weitzman saying that he spotted the rifle when he shined his flashlight beneath the pallet.

[Dan O'meara]

Dan, you're being dishonest.... You know that I was making up the part about they planned to kill Lee Oswald on the sixth floor and leave the carcano beside his body....But if he wasn't there, they would leave the rifle hidden along his escape route ......

Lee wasn't on the sixth floor ( he was in the Domino room)

I'm sorry if you don't like that idea..... But Don't be dishonest and say I made up the part about Seymour Weitzman saying that he spotted the rifle when he shined his flashlight beneath the pallet.

You're the one being dishonest Walt.
My post about your theory being "100% fantasy" had nothing to do with Weitzman looking beneath the pallet.

[Walt Cakebread]

You're the one being dishonest Walt.
My post about your theory being "100% fantasy" had nothing to do with Weitzman looking beneath the pallet.

Perhaps I don't know what !00% means..... 

[Zeon Mason]

@Dan: are you aware that your slightly diagonal  green arrow LOS is going THRU a box which is laying on the ground?

So that would an obstruction even along a diagonal line at the ground plane from the Southeast corner side of the pallet to the Northeest corner

If Weitzman was looking instead thru the gap the arrows illustrate , then he  had to be at the south WEST corner of the pallet,, looking directly NORTH and also have his head about at least 3ft above the  floor plane  (it appears to me ) to get a vertical diagonal LOS over a 2nd level high box on the opposite side of that gap to be able to see OVER that box to see that small portion barrel end of the rifle

There was definitely  No LOS possible for Weitzman imo, to any portion of the butt and center portion of the stock of the rifle due to a box in the way at the time Weitzman and Boone discovered the rifle, That box was the one removed later to allow more of the rifle to be photographed.

So, I cannot see how Weitzman could have seen ANY portion of the rifle unless he was basically NOT looking Under the flat , was NOT at the East side of the pallet looking west or even Northwest, and he was actually STANDING at the South WEST corner of the pallet peering OVER that 2nd level box directly opposite the gap he theoretically could have looked thru.

So either Weitzman is  incorrect about his position AT THE INSTANT the he saw the rifle or he meant  he was EARLIER looking “under a flat “ before then changing his position to  the gap and THEN saw the rifle as he stood up and able to look OVER a 2nd level high box to see a portion of the rifle barrel.

So the choice still seems to be either Weitzman was mistaken or he saw the rifle in a different location. If the latter , then Boone had to have seen the rifle in that other location also and then both men opted to participate in a post event fraud.

@Walt: if the rifle  was preplanted then it should not ALL   the rifle be inside the pallet as surely the intent was to make sure the rifle was WELK hidden so not to be inadvertently discovered. Therefore I have to disagree with the idea that any portion of.the rifle would be visibly sticking out of the pallet.

[Dan O'meara]

@Dan: are you aware that your slightly diagonal  green arrow LOS is going THRU a box which is laying on the ground?

So that would an obstruction even along a diagonal line at the ground plane from the Southeast corner side of the pallet to the Northeest corner

If Weitzman was looking instead thru the gap the arrows illustrate , then he  had to be at the south WEST corner of the pallet,, looking directly NORTH and also have his head about at least 3ft above the  floor plane  (it appears to me ) to get a vertical diagonal LOS over a 2nd level high box on the opposite side of that gap to be able to see OVER that box to see that small portion barrel end of the rifle

There was definitely  No LOS possible for Weitzman imo, to any portion of the butt and center portion of the stock of the rifle due to a box in the way at the time Weitzman and Boone discovered the rifle, That box was the one removed later to allow more of the rifle to be photographed.

So, I cannot see how Weitzman could have seen ANY portion of the rifle unless he was basically NOT looking Under the flat , was NOT at the East side of the pallet looking west or even Northwest, and he was actually STANDING at the South WEST corner of the pallet peering OVER that 2nd level box directly opposite the gap he theoretically could have looked thru.

So either Weitzman is  incorrect about his position AT THE INSTANT the he saw the rifle or he meant  he was EARLIER looking “under a flat “ before then changing his position to  the gap and THEN saw the rifle as he stood up and able to look OVER a 2nd level high box to see a portion of the rifle barrel.

So the choice still seems to be either Weitzman was mistaken or he saw the rifle in a different location. If the latter , then Boone had to have seen the rifle in that other location also and then both men opted to participate in a post event fraud.

@Walt: if the rifle  was preplanted then it should not ALL   the rifle be inside the pallet as surely the intent was to make sure the rifle was WELK hidden so not to be inadvertently discovered. Therefore I have to disagree with the idea that any portion of.the rifle would be visibly sticking out of the pallet.

@Dan: are you aware that your slightly diagonal  green arrow LOS is going THRU a box which is laying on the ground?

The arrow isn't going through a box laying on the ground, it's going over some paper laying on the ground.
Weitzman would have had no problem seeing the barrel portion of the rifle whilst looking through the pallet.
The fact that there is a pallet at this location is very telling. Most of the stacks on the 6th floor that I've seen in photos don't have a pallet underneath. In fact, the one near the rifle is the only one I can find. But I've no doubt you could say it's just a coincidence that there was a pallet in a position where someone looking through it could see the rifle or that Weitzman got lucky etc.
Why you would imagine Weitzman made up looking through the pallet is beyond me. I've no doubt you've got some kind of reason for believing that.
However, the actual evidence demonstrates there was a pallet in the location Weitzman described, and that it was possible for him to see the barrel portion of the rifle while looking through it.

Out of curiosity, why do you believe Weitzman made up a story about looking through a pallet when he saw the rifle?
What purpose does such a story serve?