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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #336 on: August 30, 2022, 10:18:25 AM »
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Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.
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Summer is my busy time.

The WC narrative has Oswald wiping the prints off the rifle (amazingly there are no prints on the shells, not even Fritz's after he picked them up), he walks the entire length of the 6th floor with the rifle before placing it in a pre-constructed hiding place but leaves the shells just lying there!!
What is the thought process behind this? Some parts seem thought through, some don't.
He gets a Coke from the second floor lunchroom and then decides to leave the TSBD!!
Is he in a rush or not?

Any credible evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination rules Oswald out.
A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

And why is Oswald in such a rush? Why make himself so conspicuous?
Why rush across the 6th floor, rush down the stairs, then rush into the second floor lunchroom and buy a Coke?? and then come out strolling, pass Mrs Reid [no longer in a rush], then saunter outside!!
Obviously, LNers have to have him rushing because of the encounter in the second floor lunchroom.
The problem is, it would appear the real assassin wasn't in any rush at any point. According to Howard Brennan [Eyewitness to History]:

"My first instinct was to look back up to that man on the sixth floor... By now the motorcade was beginning to speed up and in only a couple of seconds the President's car had disappeared under the triple underpass. To my amazement the man still stood there in the window! He didn't appear to be rushed. There was no particular emotion visible on his face except for a slight smirk. It was a look of satisfaction, as if he had accomplished what he had set out to do."

In a way, this lack of rushing is corroborated by the testimony of Harold Norman, situated directly below the assassin, he hears the bolt being operated, hears the shells hitting the floor, but does not hear anyone rushing away from the area directly above him. Anyone moving quickly on the wooden floor a couple of feet above Norman's head would easily have been heard.

Once it is realised Oswald was not the assassin, all of this goes away. along with many other troublesome pieces of evidence that rule out LNer narrative of Oswald as the shooter.


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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #337 on: August 30, 2022, 03:39:12 PM »

Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.
    :D 

 ;D
Summer is my busy time.

The WC narrative has Oswald wiping the prints off the rifle (amazingly there are no prints on the shells, not even Fritz's after he picked them up), he walks the entire length of the 6th floor with the rifle before placing it in a pre-constructed hiding place but leaves the shells just lying there!!
What is the thought process behind this? Some parts seem thought through, some don't.
He gets a Coke from the second floor lunchroom and then decides to leave the TSBD!!
Is he in a rush or not?

Any credible evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination rules Oswald out.
A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

Summer is my busy time. 

So you're a bikini salesman ?.....

A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

A whole lot of things fall away when a person sees that the official LBJ approved tale is unbelievable.   

One of the most unbelievable aspects of the tale is the very foundation on which the entire tale rests.

That aspect is the feasibility of anybody firing that cranky old rusty carcano with the scope mounted askew with precision accuracy at a moving target that was obscured by a tree.

Anybody who accepts that nonsense has to have taken leave of their commonsense ......   
« Last Edit: August 30, 2022, 05:36:12 PM by Walt Cakebread »

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #338 on: August 30, 2022, 07:51:05 PM »
Summer is my busy time. 

So you're a bikini salesman ?.....

I wish  ;D

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A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

A whole lot of things fall away when a person sees that the official LBJ approved tale is unbelievable.   

One of the most unbelievable aspects of the tale is the very foundation on which the entire tale rests.

That aspect is the feasibility of anybody firing that cranky old rusty carcano with the scope mounted askew with precision accuracy at a moving target that was obscured by a tree.

Anybody who accepts that nonsense has to have taken leave of their commonsense ......

Any credible evidence that exists concerning who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination rules out Oswald as the shooter.
Once the evidence is accepted and Oswald is no longer in the frame as the lone nut assassin, we enter the dreaded realms of CONSPIRACY.
One of the first realisations is that the carcano is no longer required to be the assassination weapon. If Oswald did it then he must have used the carcano. But the evidence tells us he wasn't the shooter so the carcano is no longer a necessity. A "proper" rifle could be used. The function of the carcano is to frame Oswald. It is this piece of evidence, above anything, that points to Oswald as the guilty party.

As a thought experiment, I wonder if any LNer can come up with a better way to frame Oswald than leaving his weapon at the scene of the crime. It's just a thought experiment. Put aside your deep held beliefs for a moment...
Can you think of a better way?
Can you think of a simpler way?
« Last Edit: August 30, 2022, 07:52:14 PM by Dan O'meara »

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #339 on: August 30, 2022, 08:10:13 PM »
If LHO had been seen in the window shooting his rifle at JFK and one of the protective personnel had shot LHO between the eyes and killed him, you all would still claim he had been framed. Now wouldn’t you?   :-\

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #340 on: August 30, 2022, 08:17:31 PM »
If LHO had been seen in the window shooting his rifle at JFK and one of the protective personnel had shot LHO between the eyes and killed him, you all would still claim he had been framed. Now wouldn’t you?   :-\

If one of the protective personnel had shot the gunman between the eyes and killed him -- and it wasn't Oswald -- you all would still claim that all the "credible evidence" points to Oswald.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2022, 06:13:42 AM by John Iacoletti »

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #341 on: August 30, 2022, 08:25:08 PM »
If LHO had been seen in the window shooting his rifle at JFK and one of the protective personnel had shot LHO between the eyes and killed him, you all would still claim he had been framed. Now wouldn’t you?   :-\

 :D :D :D
What a brilliant response!!

Charles, suspend your disbelief for a moment - can you think of a better way of framing Oswald than leaving his weapon at the scene of the crime.
It's just a thought experiment - you aren't denouncing your beliefs by considering it.
Can you think of a better way?

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #342 on: August 30, 2022, 08:35:04 PM »
:D :D :D
What a brilliant response!!

Charles, suspend your disbelief for a moment - can you think of a better way of framing Oswald than leaving his weapon at the scene of the crime.
It's just a thought experiment - you aren't denouncing your beliefs by considering it.
Can you think of a better way?


I just did.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #343 on: August 30, 2022, 08:44:25 PM »

I just did.

 ???

I have read your post a few times and I'm not quite sure how that is a way to frame him.
Can you elaborate?

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #343 on: August 30, 2022, 08:44:25 PM »