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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #208 on: August 06, 2022, 01:59:31 AM »
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The one that Sawyer broadcast over the DPD radio about 12:44.

Really? The one where Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot give a clothing description? The one that leads Insp. Sawyer to mention there is uncertainty as to whether the suspect under description was "there in the first place"? That one?
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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #209 on: August 06, 2022, 02:12:51 AM »
Really? The one where Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot give a clothing description? The one that leads Insp. Sawyer to mention there is uncertainty as to whether the suspect under description was "in the building in the first place"? That one?

No, the uncertainty part was concerning Charles Givens. They put out a description of Givens because they were trying to locate him.

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« Reply #210 on: August 06, 2022, 02:21:12 AM »
No, the uncertainty part was concerning Charles Givens. They put out a description of Givens because they were trying to locate him.

The witness couldn't give a clothing description for Mr Givens?

And what makes you say Insp. Sawyer's "unknown if he was there in the first place" remark relates to Mr Givens?
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« Reply #211 on: August 06, 2022, 02:37:46 AM »
The witness couldn't give a clothing description for Mr Givens?

And what makes you say Insp. Sawyer's "unknown if he was there in the first place" remark relates to Mr Givens?

I was mistaken about Givens. That was later.


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« Reply #212 on: August 06, 2022, 02:43:39 AM »
I was mistaken about Givens. That was later.

Thank you, Mr Collins-----it was indeed later, a lot later.

So! Are you saying that Mr Howard Brennan's on-the-scene description of the man he saw firing from the sixth-floor window is the description in relation to which Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot remember enough to give a clothing description? And that it is "unknown if he was in the building in the first place"?

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« Reply #213 on: August 06, 2022, 03:08:02 AM »
Thank you, Mr Collins-----it was indeed later, a lot later.

So! Are you saying that Mr Howard Brennan's on-the-scene description of the man he saw firing from the sixth-floor window is the descrption in relation to which Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot remember enough to give a clothing description? And that it is "unknown if he was in the building in the first place"?

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This was during the first 15 to 20 minutes after the shots. They were still trying to figure out what happened.

“From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if
he was there in the first place.”
Mr. BELIN. Then it reads back here, “All the information we have received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that building.”
That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. That’s right.


Why are you asking about this?

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« Reply #214 on: August 06, 2022, 03:13:38 AM »
This was during the first 15 to 20 minutes after the shots. They were still trying to figure out what happened.

“From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if
he was there in the first place.”
Mr. BELIN. Then it reads back here, “All the information we have received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that building.”
That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. That’s right.


Why are you asking about this?

Ah ok, I think I get it now, Mr Collins.

So:

Insp. Sawyer hears from Mr Brennan about a man firing from an upper window of the Depository. Mr Brennan gives him a description of the shooter, including a clothing description (light-colored), which we know Mr Brennan was able to give. And then Insp. Sawyer gives that description (but without any reference to clothing) over the police radio, before proceeding to
a) say that the witness cannot remember anything as to clothing;
b) express uncertainty as to whether the man seen firing from an upper window of the Depository was even in the Depository in the first place.

Is that about the size of it?
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« Reply #215 on: August 06, 2022, 03:27:09 AM »
Ah ok, I think I get it now, Mr Collins.

So:

Insp. Sawyer hears from Mr Brennan about a man firing from an upper window of the Depository. Mr Brennan gives him a description of the shooter, including a clothing description (light-colored), which we know Mr Brennan was able to give. And then Insp. Sawyer gives that description (but without any reference to clothing) over the police radio, before proceeding to
a) say that the witness cannot remember anything as to clothing;
b) express uncertainty as to whether the man seen firing from an upper window of the Depository was even in the Depository in the first place.

Is that about the size of it?

Holding for Hux?   ::)
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