Jesse Curry Interviews Nov 1963

[Walt Cakebread]

I don't think they say Oswald said he was alone.

FBI agent James Bookhout, wrote:

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."     (WR, p.622)

Secret Service agent Thomas Kelley wrote:

"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy."     (WR, p.626)

What Fritz wrote: "say two negr. came in. One Jr. + short negro" refers to what Bookhout and Kelley wrote. There's nothing in all these accounts about Jarman and Norman entering the building through the back door.

Fritz wrote; ...."say two negr. came in. One Jr. + short negro"

FBI agent James Bookhout, wrote:

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."     (WR, p.622)

Secret Service agent Thomas Kelley wrote:

"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy."     (WR, p.626)

Kelley wasn't there at the first interrogation, so he couldn't have heard Lee's statements....

What Fritz wrote: "say two negr. came in. One Jr. + short negro" refers to what Bookhout and Kelley wrote. There's nothing in all these accounts about Jarman and Norman entering the building through the back door.

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize." 

Lee told the interrogators that he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone,  He recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. 

This is written by someone (Bookhout) who was unfamiliar with the 1st floor lunchroom, because it is impossible to "walk through" (transit) the lunchroom, because there is only one entrance / exit door.

Lee said that he saw Jarman and Norman come into the building and walk to the west elevator.  We know this is true because both Jarman and Norman said that they walked up the Houston street steps, and across the loading dock, and then entered the building by the back door.

You've omitted Hosty, and inserted Kelley, but Kelly wasn't present at the interrogation on 11/22/63 at 3:15 pm. and Hosty said that

What's so difficult about understanding Lee's simple reply to Fritz that he was eating lunch alone in the first floor lunchroom when he saw Junior Jarman and Harold Norman come into the building by the back door.  Both Jarman and Norman testified that they did in fact enter the TSBD by the back door at about 12:27.

[Walt Cakebread]

And so, we have three different versions of what Oswald is supposed to have said.

We can be pretty sure, however, that Oswald, who knew the building and first floor lay out better that any of the three men, would not have said that "Junior and the short negro boy" walked through the lunchroom as that is simply impossible. Bookhout also doesn't say they walked through the lunchroom. It is however possible, and indeed more likely, that he saw Jarman and Norman come in, through the back door and walk towards the elevators which Bookhout describes as ""walk through the room".

There's nothing in all these accounts about Jarman and Norman entering the building through the back door.

There doesn't have to be. Where else would they have entered the building, on their way to the elevators, if not through the back door?

A fact that can't be denied is that all three reports confirm that Oswald said he saw "Junior and the short negro boy" (who we now know to be Jarman and Norman) when he was in the lunchroom eating his lunch. We know from the testimony of Jarman and Norman this could only have happened minutes prior to the shooting.

And so, we have three different versions of what Oswald is supposed to have said.

No, that's not accurate because Kelly wasn't present so we can discard his statement. ...And Bookhout and Fritz statements  are corroborating .... 

[Jerry Freeman]

Why do LNs always act like a cry baby or an entitled Karen?

Don't the lyrics in that video present the crux of their mentality?
"Get out da way btch ..Get out da way..Get out da way btch" A profusely limited composition there. Mozart would frown.

BTW ...I had to look up "entitled Karen" found... Most Entitled Karens Who Went Too Far [youtube]
A glaring example of airline passengers who really needed to just change seats.

[Walt Cakebread]

And so, we have three different versions of what Oswald is supposed to have said.

We can be pretty sure, however, that Oswald, who knew the building and first floor lay out better that any of the three men, would not have said that "Junior and the short negro boy" walked through the lunchroom as that is simply impossible. Bookhout also doesn't say they walked through the lunchroom. It is however possible, and indeed more likely, that he saw Jarman and Norman come in, through the back door and walk towards the elevators which Bookhout describes as ""walk through the room".

There's nothing in all these accounts about Jarman and Norman entering the building through the back door.

There doesn't have to be. Where else would they have entered the building, on their way to the elevators, if not through the back door?

A fact that can't be denied is that all three reports confirm that Oswald said he saw "Junior and the short negro boy" (who we now know to be Jarman and Norman) when he was in the lunchroom eating his lunch. We know from the testimony of Jarman and Norman this could only have happened minutes prior to the shooting.

We know from the testimony of Jarman and Norman this could only have happened minutes prior to the shooting.

Here's the LNer's timeline for Lee Oswald.....

12:27---  LHO in 1st floor lunchroom

12:29---LHO arrives on 6th floor and retrieves the disassembled rifle that was in a paper sack and walks to the SE corner window.

!2:29 :30 ---LHO removes pieces of the rifle from the paper sack and tosses the sack in the corner and assembles the rifle

12:30--- LHO aims rifle from the window at the Lincoln which is behind the foliage of a tree, and hastily fires three shots.

12:31---LHO walks across the sixth floor and hides the rifle beneath boxes of books and then walks down the stairs to the 2nd floor lunchroom, where he is encountered by Baker and Truly at 12: 31: 45....

Total elapsed time...4 minutes 45 seconds...

Whew!....  It's unbelievable how quick LHO could move.....

[Richard Smith]

We know from the testimony of Jarman and Norman this could only have happened minutes prior to the shooting.

Here's the LNer's timeline for Lee Oswald.....

12:27---  LHO in 1st floor lunchroom

12:29---LHO arrives on 6th floor and retrieves the disassembled rifle that was in a paper sack and walks to the SE corner window.

!2:29 :30 ---LHO removes pieces of the rifle from the paper sack and tosses the sack in the corner and assembles the rifle

12:30--- LHO aims rifle from the window at the Lincoln which is behind the foliage of a tree, and hastily fires three shots.

12:31---LHO walks across the sixth floor and hides the rifle beneath boxes of books and then walks down the stairs to the 2nd floor lunchroom, where he is encountered by Baker and Truly at 12: 31: 45....

Whew!....  It's unbelievable how quick LHO could move.....

No LNer believes that is an accurate timeline.   Oswald's movements in minutes leading up to the assassination are uncertain.  The evidence, however, places him in the SN at 12:30 beyond any doubt.  You have also falsely suggested that JFK's car was "behind the foliage of a tree" when the shots were fired.  As apparent from the WC recreation of the event, his car was in a clear line of sight on Elm from Oswald's window when he was struck.    An easy shot for Oswald who was trained in the USMC.

[Walt Cakebread]

No LNer believes that is an accurate timeline.   Oswald's movements in minutes leading up to the assassination are uncertain.  The evidence, however, places him in the SN at 12:30 beyond any doubt.  You have also falsely suggested that JFK's car was "behind the foliage of a tree" when the shots were fired.  As apparent from the WC recreation of the event, his car was in a clear line of sight on Elm from Oswald's window when he was struck.    An easy shot for Oswald who was trained in the USMC.

No LNer believes that is an accurate timeline.

OK ,    Mr "Smith" if that's not an accurate time line ....then perhaps you can present an accurate one...starting at 12:27 when Lee saw Jarman and Norman walk by the 1st floor lunchroom.

[Richard Smith]

No LNer believes that is an accurate timeline.

OK ,    Mr "Smith" if that's not an accurate time line ....then perhaps you can present an accurate one...starting at 12:27 when Lee saw Jarman and Norman walk by the 1st floor lunchroom.

There is insufficient information to reconstruct Oswald's movements before the assassination.  There was no real cause of others to take notice of him or the specific time down to the precise minute of mundane events that were occurring in the building before the assassination.  What we know with certainty is that Oswald was in the SN at 12:30 based upon the evidence that he left behind.

[Richard Smith]

Notice the Loons also have Oswald incapable of assembling the rifle despite having all morning to do so. In the Land O' Loons, if Oswald had assembled the rifle before noon, the rifle would have been left out in the open and noticed. No LN scenario or evaluation of the evidence is possible. Why do they love this Oswald? A shared hatred of authority?

Yes, it's a reoccurring pattern.  And, of course, we are constantly told that Oswald couldn't have done things that someone else apparently could.  Oswald would require "superpowers" to perform these mundane acts while some stranger on the floor apparently could pull it off and escape unnoticed.  Repeat endlessly.