Jesse Curry Interviews Nov 1963

[Martin Weidmann]

As usual, you are trying to change the subject after being confronted with the facts and logic.  We were discussing here why Oswald might try to assassinate both a right winger like Walker and a Democrat like JFK.  Haven't you yourself suggested that Oswald fired the shots at Walker and JFK (albeit in some delusion fantasy scenario that he intentionally missed as part of some conspiracy to get him to Cuba)?  If so, we are not in disagreement that Oswald pulled the trigger in both instances.

after being confronted with the facts and logic.

Let's see what we actually got here;

Political assassination involving a sniper are extremely rare events.  After the JFK assassination, it would be entirely reasonable to speculate that another such attempt in Dallas to assassinate another political figure via a sniper attack within just a few months of the JFK assassination was related.  It wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to conclude that two such rare events occurring in proximity both in time and place might be committed by the same person.  And, of course, the evidence subsequently confirmed this was the case.  There is no doubt of the fact that Oswald committed both crimes.  In fact, Oswald confessed to his wife about the Walker attempt.  He left his rifle at the scene of the JFK assassination. 

Just because Walker and JFK were of different political backgrounds is not cause for doubt.  Both were targets of opportunity due to their presence in Dallas.  Oswald hated Walker because of his right wing beliefs.  He hated the US because of its opposition to Russia/Cuba and JFK was the symbolic representative of the US.  Killing him was a symbolic revolutionary act against the system that Oswald detested when the opportunity fell into his lap.  Seemingly, a quirk of fate that a homicidal political nut happened to work in a building overlooking the motorcade.  In retrospect, however, the obvious security flaws involved in driving the president around in an open car on a preannounced route are obvious.  Sooner or later someone was going to exploit that flaw.  Oswald happened to be first in line.

it would be entirely reasonable to speculate

might be committed by the same person

Facts and logic, you say? Not so much. More just pure speculation.

And, of course, the evidence subsequently confirmed this was the case. 

No it didn't, regardless of what Marina testified.

[Gary Craig]

[Walt Cakebread]

Thank you Gary,   for posting the article from the German News paper.  It seems rather brief for a sensational story. Do you suppose that the reporter didn't believe the tale that General Walker unloaded on him on Saturday morning 11/23/63?   

The story wasn't published until Nov. 29.   If the editor really believed Walker's tale he would have rushed the paper to publication, and it would have been picked up and published round the world by 11/24 /63. 

This wild tale from Walker reveals the panic he felt.....  He realized that his neck was in the noose if Lee Oswald  started talking about the plot.  He with out a doubt breathed a huge sigh of relief when Jack Ruby murdered Lee Oswald.

[Richard Smith]

after being confronted with the facts and logic.

Let's see what we actually got here;

it would be entirely reasonable to speculate

might be committed by the same person

Facts and logic, you say? Not so much. More just pure speculation.

And, of course, the evidence subsequently confirmed this was the case. 

No it didn't, regardless of what Marina testified.

You are easily confused.  We are discussing two different points in time.  Right after the assassination, there could only be speculation that the two crimes were related due to their similarity, uniqueness, and proximity in time and place.  An investigation then occurred that confirmed the fact.  Oswald confessed to his own wife.  The fact that you don't like this is meaningless as to the facts. 

[Walt Cakebread]

As usual, you are trying to change the subject after being confronted with the facts and logic.  We were discussing here why Oswald might try to assassinate both a right winger like Walker and a Democrat like JFK.  Haven't you yourself suggested that Oswald fired the shots at Walker and JFK (albeit in some delusion fantasy scenario that he intentionally missed as part of some conspiracy to get him to Cuba)?  If so, we are not in disagreement that Oswald pulled the trigger in both instances.

Pay close attention dumbass......  I'm not changing the subject.  I'm merely relating the FACT  that Lee Oswald was in the 1st floor lunchroom at 12:27 and he was not on the sixth floor at 12:30.    THAT mr "Smith" is a FACT.   I'm not going to discuss nonsense with you.... Extract your head and then perhaps we can talk....

[Walt Cakebread]

I pray that your post catches fire Gary.....  This brief story in the German weekly newspaper is dynamite.   

[Richard Smith]

Pay close attention dumbass......  I'm not changing the subject.  I'm merely relating the FACT  that Lee Oswald was in the 1st floor lunchroom at 12:27 and he was not on the sixth floor at 12:30.    THAT mr "Smith" is a FACT.   I'm not going to discuss nonsense with you.... Extract your head and then perhaps we can talk....

So angry.  Have you claimed on this board or not that Oswald fired the shots at Walker and JFK but intentionally missed as part of what he thought was plan to fake an assassination attempt as a pretext to get him into Cuba?  That fantasy cannot be reconciled with conflicting fantasy that Oswald was in the lunchroom and couldn't have pulled the trigger.   If you are going to be a kook, at least keep your fantasies straight so they don't conflict.   

[Walt Cakebread]

You might have something with the "lunchroom alibi" thing, except we don't know for sure that Jarman and Norman entered the building at 12:27. They said it was more like 12:20 to 12:25. The two men were familiar with the area; if, at 12:24, they heard "Just crossing Ervay Street" on the police radio, they would have known that the motorcade was on Main. Or someone in the crowd could have said so. If Oswald was in the lunchroom at 12:25 and saw Jarman and Norman, he would have time to ascend the stairs.

Fritz's notes on this are not specific. Also, if Jarman and Norman had gone to, say, to the SW corner of the fifth floor rather then the SE corner, that would help the idea that Oswald was in the lunchroom and saw the two men go by. But the men two men showed up beneath the SN window affording Oswald the opportunity to know that Jarman and Norman were together during lunch (as Oswald might have seen them together regularly previous to Nov. 22nd). Entering the building from the front or rear means passing through the first floor (to access the stairs or elevators; they could cross the second floor from the front but that route was probably not for warehouse workers). Crossing the first floor means they could have been visible to someone (depending on where they were seated or standing) in the first-floor lunchroom.

Not hard to rationalize without actually witnessing it. Oswald could have put two-and-two together. It was an ad hoc after-thought "ghost alibi". Now, if Oswald had really seen the two men cross the first floor, he would have expanded on what he saw, such as the two men entered through the rear. That would have been the clincher. But guessing that would have been taking a huge risk.

Then one has to wonder why Oswald--who was so politically-minded, subscribed to Time, read newspapers and borrowed books about politics--didn't bother to join his coworkers outside to watch the Presidential motorcade so by (didn't Marina say Lee liked JFK?). Then you expect people to disregard the "long bulky package" Oswald took to work that morning, his prints on boxes at the Sniper's Nest and on the rifle, his behavior after the assassination, in which he was in flight murdering a policeman and trying to hide in a movie theater.

we don't know for sure that Jarman and Norman entered the building at 12:27. They said it was more like 12:20 to 12:25.

Take a refresher course in reading comprehension .... They said that they were at the front of the building at 12:25 when they decided to go up to the 5th floor to watch the parade.   They would have walked by the lunchroom at about 12:27....  And Lee saw them walk by.

 If Oswald was in the lunchroom at 12:25 and saw Jarman and Norman, he would have time to ascend the stairs.

Maybe possible ...except... Jarman and Norman said they arrived on the 5th floor at 12:28 .... Therefore they would have walked by the lunchroom at about 12:27 .

Your desperation is hanging out a country mile Mr. O......  Why don't you heed your own advise and simply admit you've made a mistake.    That would be a big first step in enlightenment.