Poll claims Oswald seen as ......

[Walt Cakebread]

12:24 falls between the 12:20-to-12:25 that were given as estimates. The men entering at 12:25 would give Lunchroom Os nearly five minutes to get upstairs and in place.

That's nice, but Bookhout says Oswald wasn't alone for long. Both Kelley and Fritz say Oswald claimed to have eaten lunch with the two men. Oswald heard Jarman and Norman arrive beneath the open window on the sixth floor. He guessed wrongly that the two men had just finished eating lunch together. He tried to make it seem like he was also there.

Why are so so insistent that Lee was on the sixth floor firing that old carcano at 12:30 ?....  Your theory doesn't make sense.   It seems to be rooted in a deep bitter hatred for Lee Oswald, a man you didn't even know. 

In his scribbled notes which he jotted down during the 3:15 interrogation session Fritz wrote that Lee said that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom when the president passed by the TSBD.  And Lee also said that he saw "junior and Shorty walk by at the time he was there in the lunchroom.   "Junior Jarman confirmed that He and Shorty Norman had walked past the lunchroom on their way to the 5th floor, and they arrived on the 5th floor at 12:28.   
 On page 622 of the WR FBI agent Bookhout wrote Quote: " Oswald stated that that on November 22 1963 he had eaten his lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository alone, but recalled that possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated that possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was a short individual"...Unquote.   

How much information do you need to understand that Lee Oswald was in that lunchroom when Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walked by??
 

[John Iacoletti]

Both Kelley and Fritz say Oswald claimed to have eaten lunch with the two men.

Fritz’s handwritten notes just say “say two negr came in. One Jr. + short negro”.

[Walt Cakebread]

Fritz’s handwritten notes just say “say two negr came in. One Jr. + short negro”.

Fritz’s handwritten notes just say “say two negr came in. One Jr. + short negro”.

 Lee also said that he saw "junior and Shorty walk by at the time he was there in the lunchroom.   "Junior Jarman confirmed that He and Shorty Norman had walked past the lunchroom on their way to the 5th floor, and they arrived on the 5th floor at 12:28.   
 On page 622 of the WR FBI agent Bookhout wrote Quote: " Oswald stated that that on November 22 1963 he had eaten his lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository alone, but recalled that possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated that possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was a short individual"...Unquote.   

[Jerry Freeman]

Pretty simple again.  If someone claims that Oswald couldn't have been on the 6th floor because he couldn't have reached the 2nd floor lunchroom (where we know he was after the assassination), then that means they have concluded that Oswald couldn't have been assassin.  That's the only implication that can be drawn.  Yet Martin refuses to acknowledge this by having the courage of his own convictions.  It is an intellectually dishonest position to suggest something is a fact but then refuse to confirm that the direct implication of that fact is your position.  Rather it is a lazy defense attorney tactic to suggest doubt without ever having a position to defend.  Perhaps you can explain how or why someone who believes Oswald wasn't on the 6th floor is not a conspiracy theorist?

Richard continues to chase his tail.
 If someone doesn't believe the official story then they surmise that there was a cover-up.
Therefore concluding that there was a cover-up.....and I do believe there was a cover-up with substantial certainty.
Therefore ---this is no longer a theory...it is a revelation
Cheers

[John Iacoletti]

Aren’t you ignoring the ones that say “lunch alone”, and “walked through the room”, and “came in”?

They can’t all be right.

[Walt Cakebread]

Fritz’s handwritten notes just say “say two negr came in. One Jr. + short negro”.

They "Came in"....  What that means is not clear...it's open to interpretation.....I personally would interpret that to mean that they "came in" from outside ...... And since Jarman and Norman said nothing about entering the lunchroom it understood that the were not referring to the Domino Room. 

[Walt Cakebread]

What was said (by one) was 12:25 or 12:28. Both of them said it could have been earlier. But even the 12:25 or 12:28 time doesn't mean we have to go with the time nearest the assassination. I doubt they would leave it so last minute, plus they have to travel up the elevator, walk across the fifth floor, try to open up windows, and then Williams has to hear this and come down. If Williams decides to go to the fifth floor at 12:29, then he's leaving near to or just as the Presidential limousine is entering Dealey Plaza.

The only "room" mentioned by Bookhout is the "lunch room" which has to be the same room that Bookhout places the "two Negro employees walking through". "Walking through" a specified room is not the same as walking by the outside of that room.
 
And we're supposed to ignore these accounts:

    "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
     He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was
     a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,
     fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he
     went to work."     -- Kelley

    "said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him.
     One of them was called ‘Junior’ and the other one was a little short
     man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese sandwich
     and some fruit and that was the only package he had brough with him
     to work and denied he had brought the long package described by
     Mr. Frazier and his sister."     -- Capt. Fritz

The only "room" mentioned by Bookhout is the "lunch room" which has to be the same room that Bookhout places the "two Negro employees walking through". "Walking through" a specified room is not the same as walking by the outside of that room.

Good!...now we're starting to break this down....  And we can parse Bookhout's report.

Bookhout was unfamiliar with the TSBD and thus he didn't understand that it would have been utterly stupid for Jarman & Norman to " walk through" a room that had only one entrance / exit portal.  They were in a hurry to get to the 5th floor before the president's parade arrived so they sure as hell wouldn't have played "ring around the lunch table"  with Lee Oswald sitting there.   Wherever BookHout heard that J&N walked through the room whoever said that had to have been referring to the SHIPPING ROOM but Bookhout didn't know that. 

[Walt Cakebread]

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3571.msg138363.html#msg138363

I believe I gave all three descriptions of the Saturday interview. Walt seems to think only Bookhout was there.

On Friday afternoon at 3:15 there were only three men present in the interrogation of lee Oswald....Fritz, Hosty, and Bookhout.   Those who cite Thomas Kelly are citing the report of a man who wasn't even there.... Kelley clearly obtained some of his information from the reports of Hosty and Bookhout and he misinterpreted the reports.