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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #232 on: October 18, 2022, 03:44:13 PM »
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You have said that Oswald "didn't come down the stairs" after the assassination.  Can you explain to us how Oswald could still be the assassin if he "didn't come down the stairs" or not?

I never claimed that Oswald could still be the assassin if he didn't come down the stairs, so there is no reason for me to explain this.

You have concluded that Oswald "didn't come down the stairs" but refused to confirm that this means that you have concluded that Oswald is innocent.  Can you cut the double talk and endless commentary and just confirm whether your position is that Oswald is innocent or that there was some other way other than the stairs that would have allowed him to be on the 6th floor at the moment of the assassination.  Which is it?  This is not a trick question. 

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #233 on: October 18, 2022, 04:27:13 PM »
You have concluded that Oswald "didn't come down the stairs" but refused to confirm that this means that you have concluded that Oswald is innocent.  Can you cut the double talk and endless commentary and just confirm whether your position is that Oswald is innocent or that there was some other way other than the stairs that would have allowed him to be on the 6th floor at the moment of the assassination.  Which is it?  This is not a trick question.

You have concluded that Oswald "didn't come down the stairs" but refused to confirm that this means that you have concluded that Oswald is innocent.

Because I did not conclude that. The logical conclusion is that if he didn't come down the stairs he couldn't have been the assassin.

It's not really my problem that you don't understand my answer.


Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Poll claims Oswald seen as ......
« Reply #234 on: October 18, 2022, 05:32:41 PM »
You have concluded that Oswald "didn't come down the stairs" but refused to confirm that this means that you have concluded that Oswald is innocent.

Because I did not conclude that. The logical conclusion is that if he didn't come down the stairs he couldn't have been the assassin.

It's not really my problem that you don't understand my answer.

So you leave open the possibility that Oswald DID come down the stairs?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #235 on: October 18, 2022, 06:16:42 PM »
So you leave open the possibility that Oswald DID come down the stairs?

You clearly still do not understand what I have been telling you. No doubt you are going to reach the wrong conclusion from my answer, but since you asked;

Why do you think I have been asking you for evidence to back up your claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor and did go down the stairs? Unlike you I am always interested in evidence (not assumptions) contrary to my position.

Having said that, all the available evidence points in the direction of him not coming down the stairs, and the assumption by the WC (and you) that he must have done doesn't alter that.
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« Reply #236 on: October 18, 2022, 09:04:30 PM »
You clearly still do not understand what I have been telling you. No doubt you are going to reach the wrong conclusion from my answer, but since you asked;

Why do you think I have been asking you for evidence to back up your claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor and did go down the stairs? Unlike you I am always interested in evidence (not assumptions) contrary to my position.

Having said that, all the available evidence points in the direction of him not coming down the stairs, and the assumption by the WC (and you) that he must have done doesn't alter that.

Why is this so complicated?  I'm just trying to understand your position.  You said Oswald "didn't come down the stairs."  You then indicated that if Oswald didn't come down the stairs, he couldn't have been the assassin.  So is it your conclusion that Oswald is innocent or not?  There doesn't appear to be any other way to reconcile these conclusions except that you believe Oswald must be innocent, but you have discussed everything under the sun instead of clarifying this point.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2022, 09:05:29 PM by Richard Smith »

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #237 on: October 18, 2022, 10:40:16 PM »
Why is this so complicated?  I'm just trying to understand your position.  You said Oswald "didn't come down the stairs."  You then indicated that if Oswald didn't come down the stairs, he couldn't have been the assassin.  So is it your conclusion that Oswald is innocent or not?  There doesn't appear to be any other way to reconcile these conclusions except that you believe Oswald must be innocent, but you have discussed everything under the sun instead of clarifying this point.

Why is this so complicated?  I'm just trying to understand your position.

I don't know why it is so complicated for you. It's pretty straight foward stuff

You said Oswald "didn't come down the stairs."

Yes, that is my opinion, based on the now available evidence. And you have still not produced a shred of evidence for your claim that he did come down the stairs. You do understand the difference between an opinion and a claim, right?

You then indicated that if Oswald didn't come down the stairs, he couldn't have been the assassin.

I didn't indicate that. You did, time after time, and I agreed with you a long time ago because it's the only logical conclusion. If he wasn't on the 6th floor, he couldn't have shot anybody from there.

So is it your conclusion that Oswald is innocent or not?

It seems to be your conclusion that if Oswald wasn't the assassin, he must be innocent. Which is where you have been going off the rails constantly.

There doesn't appear to be any other way to reconcile these conclusions except that you believe Oswald must be innocent

I don't have to believe that Oswald was innocent, just because he wasn't the assassin. Why should I believe that?

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Re: Poll claims Oswald seen as ......
« Reply #238 on: October 19, 2022, 01:01:00 AM »
Has it escaped anybody’s notice that “Richard” still has yet to provide a single speck of evidence that Oswald was on the sixth floor at 12:30 and came down the stairs in 75 seconds?

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« Reply #239 on: October 19, 2022, 02:46:40 PM »
Has it escaped anybody’s notice that “Richard” still has yet to provide a single speck of evidence that Oswald was on the sixth floor at 12:30 and came down the stairs in 75 seconds?

You're asking Mr "Smith" to produce and present the impossible.   Richard couldn't possibly produce an iota of evidence that Lee Oswald was on the sixth floor at 12:30 that day.     But we do have Captain Fritz telling us that Jarman and Norman were on the 1st floor at 12:27 and Lee Oswald told Fritz that he saw them walk by the 1st floor lunchroom, at that time.  It's highly unlikely that Lee could have been firing a rifle from that sixth floor window just three minutes later.....and then have been seen by officer Baker in the second floor lunchroom at 12:32 .....

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« Reply #239 on: October 19, 2022, 02:46:40 PM »