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[Martin Weidmann]

Have you suffered some type of head injury?  I said over one million Americans died from COVID (a fact).  That it originated in China (a fact).  And that it was "unclear" whether COVID was targeted to the US as part of a biological agent or accident at a lab because China covered up its origins by not fully cooperating in the investigation.

Moving the goalposts again?

You never said it was unclear whether Covid was targeted to the US. You simply stated that it was targeted at the US, which by itself is also false.

Covid was detected in Europe earlier than it was in the US, and it ultimately killed people all over the word, including in China itself. If Covid was indeed targeted to the US (your claim!), this would be a very strange way to doing it.

[Richard Smith]

Moving the goalposts again?

You never said it was unclear whether Covid was targeted to the US. You simply stated that it was targeted at the US, which by itself is also false.

Covid was detected in Europe earlier than it was in the US, and it ultimately killed people all over the word, including in China itself. If Covid was indeed targeted to the US (your claim!), this would be a very strange way to doing it.

Whew.  Get the tin foil.  It would be strange to transmit a biological weapon to the US via "Europe"?  HA HA HA.  Please let Martin work for the Chinese.  China:  How are we going to get this virus to the US?  How about an airplane?  Martin:  That will never work.  HA HA HA.   Of course no one has claimed that this is what happened.  It is a "strawman."  I simply indicated that the origins of COVID were UNCLEAR because the Commie Chinese government covered it up.  The point being that if the Chinese were going to distribute such a biological agent or even a nuclear bomb they could do so via one of these balloons.  Martin has taken the discussion down his usual rabbit hole of lunacy.

[Martin Weidmann]

Whew.  Get the tin foil.  It would be strange to transmit a biological weapon to the US via "Europe"?  HA HA HA.  Please let Martin work for the Chinese.  China:  How are we going to get this virus to the US?  How about an airplane?  Martin:  That will never work.  HA HA HA.   Of course no one has claimed that this is what happened.  It is a "strawman."  I simply indicated that the origins of COVID were UNCLEAR because the Commie Chinese government covered it up.  The point being that if the Chinese were going to distribute such a biological agent or even a nuclear bomb they could do so via one of these balloons.  Martin has taken the discussion down his usual rabbit hole of lunacy.

It would be strange to transmit a biological weapon to the US via "Europe"?  HA HA HA.  Please let Martin work for the Chinese.  China:  How are we going to get this virus to the US?  How about an airplane?  Martin:  That will never work.  HA HA HA.

So, now it becomes an attack on the US by releasing a virus in Europe. Hiliarious, and, of course, you don't understand at all this only exposes the true level of your paranoia.   

It takes a paranoid mind to see attacks on the US everywhere. Remember the so-called caravans that we're going to invade the south?


I simply indicated that the origins of COVID were UNCLEAR because the Commie Chinese government covered it up.

Yes you did, but then you said it was targeted to the US, which implies it was a weapon to be used against the US...

The point being that if the Chinese were going to distribute such a biological agent or even a nuclear bomb they could do so via one of these balloons.

Sure, they could also do it by having a donkey carrying it, crossing the border in the south ..... Or what about a flock of seagulls released from a ship in the Mexican gulf carrying vials of poison....

Or you are just a paranoid fearmonger.

[Richard Smith]

It would be strange to transmit a biological weapon to the US via "Europe"?  HA HA HA.  Please let Martin work for the Chinese.  China:  How are we going to get this virus to the US?  How about an airplane?  Martin:  That will never work.  HA HA HA.

So, now it becomes an attack on the US by releasing a virus in Europe. Hiliarious, and, of course, you don't understand at all this only exposes the true level of your paranoia.   

It takes a paranoid mind to see attacks on the US everywhere. Remember the so-called caravans that we're going to invade the south?


I simply indicated that the origins of COVID were UNCLEAR because the Commie Chinese government covered it up.

Yes you did, but then you said it was targeted to the US, which implies it was a weapon to be used against the US...

The point being that if the Chinese were going to distribute such a biological agent or even a nuclear bomb they could do so via one of these balloons.

Sure, they could also do it by having a donkey carrying it, crossing the border in the south ..... Or what about a flock of seagulls released from a ship in the Mexican gulf carrying vials of poison....

Or you are just a paranoid fearmonger.

Again, I never said it was targeted to the US although that remains a possibility because the origins remain UNCLEAR.  You have repeated this bizarre lie several times now.  Anyone can read this thread.  I said COVID originated in China  (a fact) and that over one million Americans have died from it (a fact).   The origins remain UNCLEAR (a fact).  Perhaps it was an accident.  Perhaps it was a naturally occurring.  Perhaps it was some type of biological agent.  We don't know and likely will never know because the Chinese covered up the origins of the virus.  None of this is relevant, however, to the point being made which is that a sophisticated Chinese balloon poses a number of obvious security risks including carrying a bomb or biological agent.   That remains true regardless of the origin of COVID.   

[Martin Weidmann]

Again, I never said it was targeted to the US although that remains a possibility because the origins remain UNCLEAR.  You have repeated this bizarre lie several times now.  Anyone can read this thread.  I said COVID originated in China  (a fact) and that over one million Americans have died from it (a fact).   The origins remain UNCLEAR (a fact).  Perhaps it was an accident.  Perhaps it was a naturally occurring.  Perhaps it was some type of biological agent.  We don't know and likely will never know because the Chinese covered up the origins of the virus.  None of this is relevant, however, to the point being made which is that a sophisticated Chinese balloon poses a number of obvious security risks including carrying a bomb or biological agent.   That remains true regardless of the origin of COVID.

I never said it was targeted to the US

True, you said;

No one said that COVID targeted only the US.

but never specified which other countries, in addition to the US were targetted.

[Richard Smith]

I never said it was targeted to the US

True, you said;

but never specified which other countries, in addition to the US were targetted.

Whew.  The astounding irony here is that you are the one who interjected the suggestion China targeted ONLY the US as a way to discount the threat of a biological agent.  You created a strawman asking why China would attack the US using COVID.  My response to that question was 100% accurate.  No one ever indicated that COVID was targeted only to the US.  Again, though, I've now confirmed a dozen times or more that we don't know the origins of COVID and therefore can't discount the possibility that it was developed as a biological agent.  Its origin and purpose is UNCLEAR.  I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand or what point that you are trying to make since - once again - whether China targeted a biological agent to the world or not has no relevance to the balloon.  You argued that this balloon posed no security risk to the US.  That is profoundly idiotic.  There are examples dating back to WWII and beyond of balloons being used for military purposes including bombs being delivered to the US mainland during WWII resulting in civilian deaths.  They can be used for such purposes.  That is simply a fact.  There is nothing controversial about that conclusion.  Why you would take issue with it to such an extent is bizarre.  Even from you.

[Martin Weidmann]

Whew.  The astounding irony here is that you are the one who interjected the suggestion China targeted ONLY the US as a way to discount the threat of a biological agent.  You created a strawman asking why China would attack the US using COVID.  My response to that question was 100% accurate.  No one ever indicated that COVID was targeted only to the US.  Again, though, I've now confirmed a dozen times or more that we don't know the origins of COVID and therefore can't discount the possibility that it was developed as a biological agent.  Its origin and purpose is UNCLEAR.  I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand or what point that you are trying to make since - once again - whether China targeted a biological agent to the world or not has no relevance to the balloon.  You argued that this balloon posed no security risk to the US.  That is profoundly idiotic.  There are examples dating back to WWII and beyond of balloons being used for military purposes including bombs being delivered to the US mainland during WWII resulting in civilian deaths.  They can be used for such purposes.  That is simply a fact.  There is nothing controversial about that conclusion.  Why you would take issue with it to such an extent is bizarre.  Even from you.

Your reading comprehension problem is getting worse. Nearly as bad as your constant misrepresentations of what was actually said.

you are the one who interjected the suggestion China targeted ONLY the US

No I didn't.

You created a strawman asking why China would attack the US using COVID.

No I didn't.

My response to that question was 100% accurate.  No one ever indicated that COVID was targeted only to the US.

Targeting a country is an act of deliberate aggression. So, when you used the word "targeted" you were clearly saying that you believed that China had released the virus on purpose, regardless of all this "it's unclear" stuff. The use of the word "targeted" exposed your paranoia.

You argued that this balloon posed no security risk to the US.  That is profoundly idiotic.

It would be idiotic, if it were true. But it isn't. I never argued any such thing.

Why you would take issue with it to such an extent is bizarre.

What exactly do I take issue with? Is it possible that a balloon is used to deliver a nuclear or biological weapon? Sure it is, but it's just as unlikely as a using a donkey or a flock of seagulls to deliver the weapon.

The mere fact that your first thoughts about the balloon were that it could deliver a nuclear or biological weapon, despite the fact that the authorities have always called it a possible spy-balloon, clearly demonstrates that you have lost your grip on reality. You than went even further by saying that Covid had killed a million Americans (which is true but has nothing to do with the balloon) and that China had purposely targeted not only the US but also other countries.

The combination is a classic example of GOP / MAGA paranoia and fearmongering. You see perceived threats everywhere. It's pathetic.

[Richard Smith]

Your reading comprehension problem is getting worse. Nearly as bad as your constant misrepresentations of what was actually said.

you are the one who interjected the suggestion China targeted ONLY the US

No I didn't.

You created a strawman asking why China would attack the US using COVID.

No I didn't.

My response to that question was 100% accurate.  No one ever indicated that COVID was targeted only to the US.

Targeting a country is an act of deliberate aggression. So, when you used the word "targeted" you were clearly saying that you believed that China had released the virus on purpose, regardless of all this "it's unclear" stuff. The use of the word "targeted" exposed your paranoia.

You argued that this balloon posed no security risk to the US.  That is profoundly idiotic.

It would be idiotic, if it were true. But it isn't. I never argued any such thing.

Why you would take issue with it to such an extent is bizarre.

What exactly do I take issue with? Is it possible that a balloon is used to deliver a nuclear or biological weapon? Sure it is, but it's just as unlikely as a using a donkey or a flock of seagulls to deliver the weapon.

The mere fact that your first thoughts about the balloon were that it could deliver a nuclear or biological weapon, despite the fact that the authorities have always called it a possible spy-balloon, clearly demonstrates that you have lost your grip on reality. You than went even further by saying that Covid had killed a million Americans (which is true but has nothing to do with the balloon) and that China had purposely targeted not only the US but also other countries.

The combination is a classic example of GOP / MAGA paranoia and fearmongering. You see perceived threats everywhere. It's pathetic.

Unreal.  My first thoughts about the balloon were that it posed a security risk.  That can come in many forms.  Even weak Biden shot it down for that very reason (although inexplicably only after it had traversed the entire US).  It is a violation of international law.  There are many potential security risks including the use of such a balloon to deliver a bomb or biological agent.  How do we know this?  Because there are actual examples of such including balloon attacks during WWII that killed US citizens on the mainland with - wait for it - a bomb.  It is not only theoretically possible but a reality.  Maybe in your socialist "Europe" you have grown used to capitulation and weakness but it is taking Americans some adjustment under Old Joe to accept that defeatist mindset.