Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !

[Jerry Freeman]

Links should be supplied when claims are made.
Apparently, Bobby Hargis did not testify before the Commission.
Nor was a deposition or any statement of his [officially] produced.

This claim goes back to Josiah Thompson's book Six Seconds in Dallas.
No one has ever produced any statement from Hargis saying he was hit with any "force," although he most certainly was "hit." Here is the article Thompson is quoting, from the Sunday News, New York, November 24, 1963, page 21 (courtesy of Steve Barber):
....
 "Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I might have been hit."

"Then I saw the limousine stop, and I parked my motorcycle at the side of the road, got off and drew my gun."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hargis.htm
 

    (1) Jean Hill (who stood to the immediate left of the limousine with her friend Mary Moorman during the assassination), in her Sheriff?s Dept. affidavit of 11/22/63, stated that the limousine stopped for an instant;
    (2) Hugh Betzner (standing behind the limousine during the assassination), in his Sheriff?s Dept. affidavit of 11/22/63, said twice that the limousine stopped during the assassination;
    (3) Roy Truly, Oswald?s boss at the TSBD, later stated that the limousine swerved to the left and stopped during the assassination;
    (4) DPD officer Bobby W. Hargis?riding escort to the immediate left rear of the limousine?in an interview never published by a local newspaper, but whose text was later found and written about by Richard Trask in his book Pictures of the Pain, stated that the limousine stopped during the assassination; and
    (5) In numerous interviews over many years, Bill Newman (standing to the immediate right of the limousine during the assassination with his wife and two children) has repeatedly and consistently recalled that there was a very brief, but definite car stop by the limousine during the assassination

http://jfkfacts.org/did-jfks-limousine-come-to-a-stop-amid-the-gunfire/
 

[Jack Trojan]

From chapter 5b at patspeer.com
After the last shot, ?there was a plume of blood and brains and plasma. It was just like a fog, and I ran right through it.?

Where did the plasma come from? An exploding bullet perhaps?

[Mike Orr]

   Rob , once again you cover so much material in your postings and this posting says a lot about the Motorcycle Policemen and what they went through that day. The quotes from Martin and Hargis about the spray of blood and matter that hit them says once again that the JFK headshot came from the front. Rob , thanks man . You bring so much to this forum. I appreciate you , Rob !     Mike

[Mike Orr]

Pat S.   Your posting on this subject covers a lot of ground which is very good. I went to your site and started to read as much as I could and will continue to do so.  I'm sure it had to be traumatic for Hargis being that close to what happened to JFK & Connally in the Limo. when I read in your post that the Limo (as per Hargis in an interview by Whitney) might have been stopped for 3-4 seconds and maybe 5-6 seconds after the 1st shot, but you won't find that in the Warren Commission report.( When asked if it said the Limo stopped)" Ah no I don't think it didn't , you've seen a rolling stop have you ? It's going less than 1 mile an hour ?...Well that's what he was doing he wasn't completely stopped or dead still." Pat , are there more witnesses on maybe how long the limo was stopped or going through a rolling stop (very slow) ? It's good to have you on the forum.

[Matt Grantham]

 Perhaps confirming the obvious but if the final shot came from the snipers nest it would have been close to 180 degrees and we would not have expected large amounts of material to go to the left of the limo?

[Mike Orr]

Matt , I feel that you are right with that assumption. The Z-film seems to only show the blood spatter to be up and towards the front of JFK and that it only happens in Z 313. Dino Brugioni told Douglas Horne that when they made the 2 Briefing boards on Late Saturday night the 23rd of November 1963 from the original Zapruder film there were 12 to 15 prints on the 2 boards total . Brugioni and his crew left early Sunday morning the 24th an not known to them, another crew came in Sunday night and made up 4 briefing boards which are now in the archives today. Dino's 2 briefing boards must have shown something that was not supposed to be seen , so later Sunday night the new crew came in and made their set of 4 briefing boards which they finished early on Monday morning the 25th of November which was the day of JFK's funeral. Brugioni also said that blood spatter from the head shot was 3 to 4 feet in the air and was seen on several more frames after frame 313 . Brugioni believes that the Zapruder film that resides in CIA's Archives today is not the film he saw the day after the Assassination.

      www.newnationalist.net/2017/11/21/zapruder-jfk-assassination-footage-altered-by-nefarious

[Mike Orr]

As the limo came to a stop , this seemed to be the point that the fatal head shot on JFK was made .

[Chris Bristow]

At 20 seconds Hargis says the limo slowed. But the most interesting part is when he says "this is not for public viewing'. First he said the limo slowed but then says it "came to almost a complete stop".