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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2022, 12:05:13 AM »
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Morley admits on some occasions (as with Beck) that he is guessing and speculating about Joannides and whether Oswald was used in a covert operation but on other occasions makes unqualified absolute claims on the same matter. He says he/we need access to the files on Joannides to be sure.

Here's an example (from his book Morley v. CIA): "I saw that George Joannides played a significant but secondary role in the story of the killing of JFK."

He doesn't have the slightest idea as to what role Joannides played in the killing much less a significant one. This is why he is asking for the files; to see if he did have any role. There's lot more of these types of unproven claims involving Angleton and others.

That's most emphatically not someone who is being cautious about making unproven claims. Does he know what Joannides/CI did or doesn't he? He can be one or the other but not both.

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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2022, 12:05:13 AM »


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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2022, 12:22:22 AM »
He also believes that Oswald was pulling a Herbert Philbrick and pretending to be a leftist; in reality he was a gung-ho patriotic American working with the FBI (but not the CIA apparently) who was protecting us from Marxism. Everything up is really down.

None of us can know for certain what Oswald really believed.

What we do know is:

- He had many rightwing or anti-communist associates, but no Leftist associates.

- He portrayed himself publicly as supporting both the Communist Party and the Socialist Workers Party. The problem with that is that the groups were bitter rivals in Oswald's time. So it makes little sense that someone would support both. It would be like supporting the Libertarian Party and the Republican Party. And maybe Oswald revealed his true feelings about the Communist Party when he ridiculed them in the Summer of 1963. With his contradictory statements about Communism, Socialism, and Marxism, it's legit to ask questions about what he really believed.

Anyway, why in the heck would the FBI need a person like Oswald (not exactly Prince Charming) to infiltrate and discredit a non-existent FPCC movement in New Orleans? There's nothing to infiltrate.

The FPCC was a national movement with supporters everywhere. While there may not have been a Chapter in New Orleans, it's possible that there were supporters of the FPCC movement in New Orleans. Or maybe they were baiting Communists? Both groups were targeted by the FBI's COINTELPRO operations.

And the FBI uses weird individuals and criminals all the time as informants or assets.

One of the founders of the FPCC, Richard Gibson, was outed as a CIA asset:

CIA Reveals Name of Former Spy in JFK Files—And He's Still Alive

In a strange twist, on April 26, when the National Archives released thousands of documents pertaining to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, they included three fat CIA files on Gibson. According to these documents, he had served U.S. intelligence from 1965 until at least 1977. This was well after Wright wrote his book, and it's not clear if Gibson had engaged in espionage before that period. But his files revealed his CIA code name, QRPHONE-1; his salary (as much as $900 a month); and his various missions, as well as his attitude ("energetic") and performance ("a self-starter").

https://www.newsweek.com/richard-gibson-cia-spies-james-baldwin-amiri-baraka-richard-wright-cuba-926428

Gibson was alive at the time when that Newsweek article was published. It was indeed odd that the CIA published the name of an asset while the person is still alive.
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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2022, 03:07:02 PM »
Morley admits on some occasions (as with Beck) that he is guessing and speculating about Joannides and whether Oswald was used in a covert operation but on other occasions makes unqualified absolute claims on the same matter. He says he/we need access to the files on Joannides to be sure.

Here's an example (from his book Morley v. CIA): "I saw that George Joannides played a significant but secondary role in the story of the killing of JFK."

He doesn't have the slightest idea as to what role Joannides played in the killing much less a significant one. This is why he is asking for the files; to see if he did have any role. There's lot more of these types of unproven claims involving Angleton and others.


That's most emphatically not someone who is being cautious about making unproven claims. Does he know what Joannides/CI did or doesn't he? He can be one or the other but not both.

How long has Morley been researching Joannides? How long was he in the courts trying to get his file? Morley has been researching Joannies for quite a while so if he's speculating he sure isn't pulling it from his ass.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2022, 03:07:49 PM by Paul J Cummings »

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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2022, 01:11:23 AM »


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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2022, 04:26:51 PM »
The files that Morley and others want declassified still haven't been declassified

"They Released All the Records We Needed to See--Except the Records We Needed to See"
https://jfkfacts.substack.com/p/they-released-all-the-records-we?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=auto_share&r=l459


Miami Herald - Did the CIA use Cuban exiles in plot involving Oswald? Questions remain as Biden withholds JFK records
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Some Cuban exiles who were part of this history were also hoping a full disclosure of Joannides’ record would help them understand what role, if any, they played in this alleged conspiracy.

Jose Antonio Lanuza, 83, a former member of the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil, or Revolutionary Student Directorate, a Cuban exile anti-Castro organization active in the 1960s, told the Herald he was hoping the remaining documents would confirm a long-held suspicion that he, and other Directorate members, were used by Joannides, the organization’s case handler in Miami, to create and later spread the fake narrative that Oswald was a pro-Castro sympathizer, providing a handy motive for the assassination.

“I think [the CIA] built this legend,” Lanuza said. “Why? Because when it became known that he had killed Kennedy, an idiot named José Antonio Lanuza, that’s me, suddenly his memory would tell him, hey, I know this guy, this is Castro sympathizer.”

Lanuza, who was based in Miami at the time, said he gathered all the evidence he had about Oswald that Bringuier had forwarded to him (a Navy manual Oswald handed as proof of his credentials, the radio show recording and a handwritten letter by Oswald offering his services, which is now lost) to make the case to Luis Fernandez Rocha, the Directorate top secretary, that Oswald was an agent for Castro.

Rocha, who is now deceased, contacted the organization’s CIA handler, a man named “Howard” whom researchers later identified as Joannides. The CIA agent had one instruction: “Don’t give the press anything; wait an hour.”

“I did not wait for the hour. At exactly 50 minutes, I was sitting with two phones calling journalists,” Lanuza recalled. “I left them a message saying: President John Kennedy was assassinated by a pro-Castro agent in the United States, a member of Fair Play for Cuba. And I spent more than two hours on the phone.”

Other members of the Directorate repeated that message publicly at the time.

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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2022, 04:26:51 PM »