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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #168 on: December 11, 2022, 05:18:52 PM »
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Between the 1940s and 1960s, Dealey Plaza was a routine part of parade routes in downtown Dallas.

Meaning, once JFK’s visit to Dallas was announced by September of 1963, it would’ve been relatively easy for conspirators to predict that his motorcade would pass through Dealey Plaza.

I haven’t seen any evidence that Oswald intentionally looked for jobs along the parade route but if there was a conspiracy, it’s plausible that the potential conspirators could have predicted that JFK would pass through Dealey Plaza again as he did in 1960 as a Presidential candidate...


Most Americans believe that there was a conspiracy but among that group, yes, not everyone can agree on "who" was responsible. The reason is because the history of the JFK assassination is incomplete. There are lots of questions remaining. At best, it's an inconclusive case, not "case closed" in my opinion.

Even if you are 100% convinced that no one but Oswald was involved, I don't believe you're being honest if you say that we know everything that happened and "why". That's obviously not true because even LN'ers disagree on some details like "Oswald's potential motive" for example. The forensic evidence is another area of disagreement among LN'ers. And if I'm remembering correctly, Vincent Bugliosi, was a critic of Gerald Posner.

So like I've been saying, well informed people can look at the same facts and reach different conclusions or interpretations. Very few historical events are documented to the point where there's no room for debate about the historical facts. The Kennedy assassination is no exception.

So Oswald or the fantasy conspirators trying to frame him got him a job at the TSBD based upon a hope that JFK would someday drive by this building?  LOL.  That was the plan?  Why would Oswald even have to work in a building on the parade route to be framed for the crime?  Why bother with that?  It's the evidence left at the scene that links Oswald to the crime.  Lots of people believe in UFOs and ghosts.  That doesn't mean they exist.  It means there are a lot of gullible people.

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Offline Jon Banks

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« Reply #169 on: December 11, 2022, 05:29:10 PM »
So Oswald or the fantasy conspirators trying to frame him got him a job at the TSBD based upon a hope that JFK would someday drive by this building?  LOL.  That was the plan?  Why would Oswald even have to work in a building on the parade route to be framed for the crime?  Why bother with that?  It's the evidence left at the scene that links Oswald to the crime.  Lots of people believe in UFOs and ghosts.  That doesn't mean they exist.  It means there are a lot of gullible people.

I specifically explained how it was possible to predict the parade route before it was announced in the newspapers. Did that in fact happen? I don’t know. But we can’t rule it out.

That JFK would do a motorcade tour of several cities including Dallas in the Fall of 1963, was made public in the news before Oswald got his job at TSBD.

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« Reply #170 on: December 11, 2022, 05:31:20 PM »
So Oswald or the fantasy conspirators trying to frame him got him a job at the TSBD based upon a hope that JFK would someday drive by this building?  LOL.  That was the plan?  Why would Oswald even have to work in a building on the parade route to be framed for the crime?  Why bother with that?  It's the evidence left at the scene that links Oswald to the crime.  Lots of people believe in UFOs and ghosts.  That doesn't mean they exist.  It means there are a lot of gullible people.

It's the evidence left at the scene that links Oswald to the crime.

Utter BS.

All that was "left at the scene" was (1) a rifle, which you can not conclusively show belonged to Oswald or that it was actually fired that day, (2) three shells which could have been fired at any time and (3) a few prints on boxes left behind by a guy who worked in the building and was moving boxes every day.

It means there are a lot of gullible people.

Indeed. Some of them actually believe in Trump (which is very telling) and claim that Oswald is guilty, without being able to provide a shred of evidence to support that claim.

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« Reply #171 on: December 11, 2022, 06:37:54 PM »
I specifically explained how it was possible to predict the parade route before it was announced in the newspapers. Did that in fact happen? I don’t know. But we can’t rule it out.

That JFK would do a motorcade tour of several cities including Dallas in the Fall of 1963, was made public in the news before Oswald got his job at TSBD.

Why would anyone want to "predict" the possible parade route of a future motorcade?  There was no guarantee that JFK would use the exact same motorcade as previous motorcades.  In fact, the route wasn't finalized until just a few days before the event.  Why did Oswald need to work in a building overlooking the parade route to be framed for the crime?  In fact, if CTers are to be believed, Oswald's presence in a building overlooking the parade route should have raised some red flags for authorities.  Maybe safer if he didn't work in the building.  There is no need to link an assassin to a place of employment.  It's the evidence left at the scent that does that.

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« Reply #172 on: December 11, 2022, 08:50:18 PM »
Why would anyone want to "predict" the possible parade route of a future motorcade?  There was no guarantee that JFK would use the exact same motorcade as previous motorcades.  In fact, the route wasn't finalized until just a few days before the event. 

This isn’t Rocket Science.

Most cities have a central area where parades are typically held. I’ve explained that Dealey Plaza was part of parade routes in Dallas going as far back as the FDR motorcade era. JFK’s motorcade passed the School Book Depository when he visited Dallas in 1960. There are eerie photos of him passing the Book Depository as a candidate in 1960.

Anyone familiar with Dallas parade logistics could’ve predicted that JFK’s motorcade would pass through Dealey Plaza long before the official parade route was announced.

His visit to Dallas was announced publicly, two months before 11/22/63.



Why did Oswald need to work in a building overlooking the parade route to be framed for the crime? 

Obviously the conspirators would need a non-conspiratorial reason for Oswald being there for it not to obviously be a conspiracy.



In fact, if CTers are to be believed, Oswald's presence in a building overlooking the parade route should have raised some red flags for authorities. 

 The fact that Oswald’s name was removed from a government list of potential threats weeks before 11/22/63 SHOULD raise alarm bells. Was it a coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.


Maybe safer if he didn't work in the building.  There is no need to link an assassin to a place of employment.  It's the evidence left at the scent that does that.

Similar to the MLK assassination, the evidence may have been left at the crime scene intentionally.

If there was a conspiracy in JFK’s assassination, the Fall Guy was Oswald.




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« Reply #173 on: December 12, 2022, 04:14:28 PM »
It's the evidence left at the scene that links Oswald to the crime.

LOL. Still waiting…

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Lots of people believe in UFOs and ghosts.  That doesn't mean they exist.  It means there are a lot of gullible people.

Lots of people believe Oswald killed Kennedy.  That doesn't he did.  It means there are a lot of gullible people.

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« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2022, 05:57:18 PM »
This isn’t Rocket Science.

Most cities have a central area where parades are typically held. I’ve explained that Dealey Plaza was part of parade routes in Dallas going as far back as the FDR motorcade era. JFK’s motorcade passed the School Book Depository when he visited Dallas in 1960. There are eerie photos of him passing the Book Depository as a candidate in 1960.

Anyone familiar with Dallas parade logistics could’ve predicted that JFK’s motorcade would pass through Dealey Plaza long before the official parade route was announced.

His visit to Dallas was announced publicly, two months before 11/22/63.


Obviously the conspirators would need a non-conspiratorial reason for Oswald being there for it not to obviously be a conspiracy.


 The fact that Oswald’s name was removed from a government list of potential threats weeks before 11/22/63 SHOULD raise alarm bells. Was it a coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.


Similar to the MLK assassination, the evidence may have been left at the crime scene intentionally.

If there was a conspiracy in JFK’s assassination, the Fall Guy was Oswald.

Again, why go through this pointless exercise to obtain employment in the TSBD?  Why not just drop Oswald's gun on the grassy knoll after the assassination and declare victory?  In fact, that would have been much easier than having conspirators access the TSBD on the day of the assassination to leave evidence framing Oswald since a stranger9s) might be noticed in the building.   No one can possibly believe that any fantasy conspirators got Oswald a job at the TSBD long before the parade route was even known and just hoped (based on some historical precedent) that one day JFK would drive by that particular building.   That doesn't work as a planned event.  It does work as a quirk of fate. But if you want to attribute this level of foresight to your fantasy conspirators, why couldn't Oswald himself have obtained the job with the intent to assassinate the JFK on the fateful day from that building? 

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« Reply #175 on: December 12, 2022, 07:04:02 PM »
Again, why go through this pointless exercise to obtain employment in the TSBD?  Why not just drop Oswald's gun on the grassy knoll after the assassination and declare victory?  In fact, that would have been much easier than having conspirators access the TSBD on the day of the assassination to leave evidence framing Oswald since a stranger9s) might be noticed in the building.

If we assume for the sake of argument that Oswald was framed, how would the conspirators have made sure he was in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 if he didn't get a job there?

If for example, Oswald took the better paying job at the airport, he would've had a good alibi if his whereabouts at the time of the shooting didn't place him anywhere near Dealey Plaza.

So for the sake of using Oswald as the Fall Guy, they needed a reason for him to be at Dealey Plaza that day. Otherwise, there was no way to ensure that he was where they needed him to be.


if you want to attribute this level of foresight to your fantasy conspirators, why couldn't Oswald himself have obtained the job with the intent to assassinate the JFK on the fateful day from that building?

We have no way of knowing whether Oswald was aware of a plot against JFK, or just used as a "Patsy".

James Jarman testified that Oswald asked him on the morning of 11/22/63 'why people were lining up outside the Book Depository'. Which implied that Oswald wasn't aware that morning that the President's motorcade would pass by.

Did LHO have the foresight to know the relevance of that question? Or did he really not know that JFK's motorcade would pass by his workplace?
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