Oswald's Motive

[Martin Weidmann]

How did your conspirators ensure that Oswald showed up for work that day at the TSBD?  Or even continue to be employed there until the fateful day that JFK would drive by?  He wasn't exactly the most dependable guy.  Some CTers contend there is no evidence that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired arguing he was in the lunch room or even on the street.  We are supposed to buy that nonsense but not that the conspirators could have dropped his rifle on the Grassy Knoll and framed Oswald regardless of where he was that day?

Some CTers contend there is no evidence that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired arguing he was in the lunch room or even on the street. 

Hilariously pathetic. Since last summer you and I (CTrs have nothing to do with it) have been discussing your claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired. You have been asked time and time again to provide even a shred of evidence for that claim and the same goes for Oswald going down the stairs unnoticed within 75 seconds after the last shot.

Nobody argued that he was in the lunch room (although it is the most likely location) or on the street.

Until today you have not presented a shred of evidence for either Oswald's presence on the 6th floor or him running down the stairs, which makes the conclusion that there simply is no evidence that places Oswald on the 6th floor or on the stairs a correct one. And of course it makes your claims nonsense, but we know that already.

[Jon Banks]

Some CTers contend there is no evidence that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired arguing he was in the lunch room or even on the street.  We are supposed to buy that nonsense but not that the conspirators could have dropped his rifle on the Grassy Knoll and framed Oswald regardless of where he was that day?

If LHO doesn't get a job at TSBD (or any other location in Dealey Plaza), how would they have been able to frame him?

Even without proof that he was on the Sixth floor when the shots were fired, they were able to say that a rifle that Oswald owned was found in the building where the shots were fired which also happened to be where he worked. That was enough to ensure that he took the Fall for the crime.

Some witnesses placed Oswald on the first floor minutes before the shots were fired but it didn't matter to the Warren Commission of course.

[Martin Weidmann]

If LHO doesn't get a job at TSBD (or any other location in Dealey Plaza), how would they have been able to frame him?

Even without proof that he was on the Sixth floor when the shots were fired, they were able to say that a rifle that Oswald owned was found in the building where the shots were fired. That was enough to ensure that he took the Fall for the crime.

Some witnesses placed Oswald on the first floor minutes before the shots were fired but it didn't matter to the Warren Commission of course.

Even without proof that he was on the Sixth floor when the shots were fired, they were able to say that a rifle that Oswald owned was found in the building where the shots were fired. That was enough to ensure that he took the Fall for the crime.

 

The rifle and Oswald's alleged ownership of it was indeed the only piece of physical evidence. Everything else was either related to that rifle or simply pure speculation and assumptions not supported by evidence.

[Jon Banks]

Even without proof that he was on the Sixth floor when the shots were fired, they were able to say that a rifle that Oswald owned was found in the building where the shots were fired. That was enough to ensure that he took the Fall for the crime.

 

The rifle and Oswald's alleged ownership of it was indeed the only piece of physical evidence. Everything else was either related to that rifle or simply pure speculation and assumptions not supported by evidence.

Right. I'm not saying that the evidence is rock solid. Just explaining how planting evidence where Oswald worked made sense if someone wanted to frame him.

[Richard Smith]

If LHO doesn't get a job at TSBD (or any other location in Dealey Plaza), how would they have been able to frame him?

Even without proof that he was on the Sixth floor when the shots were fired, they were able to say that a rifle that Oswald owned was found in the building where the shots were fired which also happened to be where he worked. That was enough to ensure that he took the Fall for the crime.

Some witnesses placed Oswald on the first floor minutes before the shots were fired but it didn't matter to the Warren Commission of course.

It is helpful to the case against Oswald that he worked in the TSBD as it does place him in the building.  And, of course, he was guilty.  My point, however, is that it was not NECESSARY for him to be employed in that building to frame him.  It's the evidence left at the scene (as outlined by the WC) that links him to the crime.  Not simply that he worked in that building.  A lot of people worked in the building.  Some were, like Oswald, in the building at the time that shots were fired.  If, as Martin and some other CTers stupidly suggest, Oswald wasn't even on the 6th floor at the time of the assassination and the fantasy conspirators simply allowed him to roam about, then why couldn't they have framed him from any location?   They drop his rifle at the grassy knoll, for example, claim to find his prints on it, and silence anyone who could give Oswald an alibi for the time of the assassination.  That's more or less what CTers suggest happened in the TSBD.

It defies belief that any fantasy conspirators would get Oswald a job at the TSBD long before the motorcade route was even planned, and hope based on some precedent that a future motorcade would bring JFK by the building.  That is laughable as a plan.  And again, how do they ensure that an unstable guy like Oswald even continues to work there or bothers to show up on the 11.22?  How do they get him to make an unexpected trip to the Paine home on the night before the assassination?  How do they know he is not planning on taking a long weekend with his family?  How do they get him to take a long package to work the next morning?

[Jon Banks]

It is helpful to the case against Oswald that he worked in the TSBD as it does place him in the building.  And, of course, he was guilty.  My point, however, is that it was not NECESSARY for him to be employed in that building to frame him.  It's the evidence left at the scene (as outlined by the WC) that links him to the crime.  Not simply that he worked in that building.  A lot of people worked in the building.  Some were, like Oswald, in the building at the time that shots were fired.  If, as Martin and some other CTers stupidly suggest, Oswald wasn't even on the 6th floor at the time of the assassination and the fantasy conspirators simply allowed him to roam about, then why couldn't they have framed him from any location?   They drop his rifle at the grassy knoll, for example, claim to find his prints on it, and silence anyone who could give Oswald a motive for the time of the assassination.  That's more or less what CTers suggest happened in the TSBD.

It defies belief that any fantasy conspirators would get Oswald a job at the TSBD long before the motorcade route was even planned, and hope based on some precedent that a future motorcade would bring JFK by the building.  That is laughable as a plan.  And again, how do they ensure that an unstable guy like Oswald even continues to work there or bothers to show up on the 11.22?  How do they get him to make an unexpected trip to the Paine home on the night before the assassination?  How do they know he is not planning on taking a long weekend with his family?  How do they get him to take a long package to work the next morning?

From what we know about sting operations conducted by the FBI, all it takes is one or two agents or assets assigned to make sure the person stays on task and is where you need them to be. I’m not saying that the FBI was involved in JFK’s murder. Only noting that similar tactics could be used by other organizations.

Getting Oswald a job in TSBD all but ensured that he would be there on 11/22/63.

You have yet to offer an alternative theory of how to make sure Oswald was in Dealey Plaza at on the day that JFK visited Dallas.

If he doesn’t get a job at the Book Depository or anywhere near the parade route, he would’ve had an alibi.

[Richard Smith]

From what we know about sting operations conducted by the FBI, all it takes is one or two agents or assets assigned to make sure the person stays on task and is where you need them to be. I’m not saying that the FBI was involved in JFK’s murder. Only noting that similar tactics could be used by other organizations.

Getting Oswald a job in TSBD all but ensured that he would be there on 11/22/63.

You have yet to offer an alternative theory of how to make sure Oswald was in Dealey Plaza at on the day that JFK visited Dallas.

If he doesn’t get a job at the Book Depository or anywhere near the parade route, he would’ve had an alibi.

According to the CTers who post here, Oswald wasn't on the 6th floor (or at least they suggest there is no evidence of such).  And some even claim he had an alibi.  So why would anyone need to make sure Oswald was in DP to frame him for the crime?  They drop the same rifle with his prints on the grassy knoll, arrest Oswald somewhere else, and coerce any person who could give him an alibi into silence.  All things CTers regularly suggest did happen to frame Oswald in the TSBD.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

According to the CTers who post here, Oswald wasn't on the 6th floor (or at least they suggest there is no evidence of such).  And some even claim he had an alibi.  So why would anyone need to make sure Oswald was in DP to frame him for the crime?  They drop the same rifle with his prints on the grassy knoll, arrest Oswald somewhere else, and coerce any person who could give him an alibi into silence.  All things CTers regularly suggest did happen to frame Oswald in the TSBD.

The conspirators just have to make sure he doesn't have an iron clad alibi, one that he can use to clear himself, one they can't manipulate/control or make disappear. Then they can put him anywhere in Dealey Plaza - the picket fence, the underpass, the sewer - and plant the evidence for his acts.

This idea that two months before the assassination they plant him in the TSBD and then two months later everything works out so they can frame him is an idea I find completely impossible. So many intermediate steps have to go right, so many uncontrollable things, that it's not even remotely possible. But this view is based on the idea that there were/are limits to what they can, how much they can control.

In conspiracy world anything is possible. As Hofstadter said, the conspiracy view "Believes it is up against an enemy who is as infallibly rational as he is totally evil, and it seeks to match his imputed total competence with its own, leaving nothing unexplained and comprehending all of reality in one overreaching consistent theory."

Again: "imputed total competence."