LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments

[John Iacoletti]

Just because you believe "both appear to start to react starting at z-226" doesn't mean that's when Mrs. Connally saw each of them them reacting.

[Andrew Mason]

Just because you believe "both appear to start to react starting at z-226" doesn't mean that's when Mrs. Connally saw each of them them reacting.

The question is not whether they are both reacting. The question is what are they reacting to? According to all the evidence there was only one shot to that point.(z225-z240). And, according to the evidence JFK is reacting to it passing through his neck. JBC is reacting to hearing it, recognizing it as a rifle shot, and turning around to see if JFK was hit in what he feared was an assassination unfolding.  Everyone who thinks JBC is reacting to his chest wound is ignoring or rejecting large bodies of consistent uncontradicted evidence.

[Joe Elliott]

The question is not whether they are both reacting. The question is what are they reacting to? According to all the evidence there was only one shot to that point.(z225-z240). And, according to the evidence JFK is reacting to it passing through his neck. JBC is reacting to hearing it, recognizing it as a rifle shot, and turning around to see if JFK was hit in what he feared was an assassination unfolding.  Everyone who thinks JBC is reacting to his chest wound is ignoring or rejecting large bodies of consistent uncontradicted evidence.

Jerry Organ made the same points I was going to make.

You (Mason) say that during z-226 through z-232, Connally is not reacting to being wounded. He is reacting to hearing the shot that wounded JFK. Connally was really first wounded at a later point.

But how did Connally react to hearing this shot around z222?

1. By his "Soon to be shot" coat suddenly bulging forward for one frame, as seen in z-224.
2. By his "Soon to be shot" right shoulder" suddenly moving forward, as if it had been hit from behind, starting by z-226.
3. By jerking his "Soon to be shot" right wrist up high where we can see his hat, which was held in his right hand, starting at z-226, the same frame JFK starts to jerk both elbows upwards.

It is as if Connally was psychic and started moving the parts of his body that was soon to be hit. Even his coat was psychic.

There were multiple amazing coincidences, if this was just Connally reacting to hearing the shots, and not Connally reacting to being wounded in the right shoulder, chest area and right wrist.

[John Iacoletti]

Everybody interprets the Z film as showing what it is they already believe. It’s a giant Rorschach test.

[Joe Elliott]

Everybody interprets the Z film as showing what it is they already believe. It’s a giant Rorschach test.

It's no use for science to analyze data. It's no use for use to look at the Zapruder film. The whole universe is just a Rorschach test. The Earth may appear to be spherical, or maybe that's just our bias kicking in. We can't learn anything from nature because we are only going to find what we expect to find. Except there are all kinds of examples where scientists saw things that they didn't expect, despite their biases. That is how science continuously evolves where old theories are replaced by better theories.

Any evidence against one's beliefs can be explained away as the other side bias is making them see things.

If I only had one opportunity to watch the Zapruder film, I would buy the notion that maybe I misremembered what I saw. Maybe my bias made me see it incorrectly. But not when I can view it over and over again. And see Connally's "soon to be hit" right shoulder move forward. And his "soon to be hit" coat move. And his "soon to be hit" right wrist shoot upwards.

[John Iacoletti]

It's no use for science to analyze data. It's no use for use to look at the Zapruder film. The whole universe is just a Rorschach test. The Earth may appear to be spherical, or maybe that's just our bias kicking in. We can't learn anything from nature because we are only going to find what we expect to find.

What is it that makes people think that sarcasm makes for good arguments?

Look all you like, but don’t pretend there’s anything objective about the “reactions” you think you see. People use what they think are “reactions” to justify shots in a whole bunch of different frames. Absent a recording turning up, there is no way to verify any of them.

[Andrew Mason]

And see Connally's "soon to be hit" right shoulder move forward. And his "soon to be hit" coat move. And his "soon to be hit" right wrist shoot upwards.

According to the evidence (Gayle Newman and the Connallys in particular) JBC's shoulders did move like that before he was hit. He moved them in response to hearing the first shot, but not thinking he had been hit by it. So what you see in the zfilm fits with JBC and JFK reacting to the first shot.

[Joe Elliott]

According to the evidence (Gayle Newman and the Connallys in particular) JBC's shoulders did move like that before he was hit. He moved them in response to hearing the first shot, but not thinking he had been hit by it. So what you see in the zfilm fits with JBC and JFK reacting to the first shot.

As always, I'm not that interested in eyewitness testimony. Not when I can see for myself as many times as I like. Unlike the eyewitness who could only experience it once and were not expecting to see anything.

Question: Which Zapruder frames are you talking about where JBC's shoulders move like that before he was hit, in response to hearing the first shot?

The frames I am talking about are:
  z223- . . . : Where we can see the start of JBC's right shoulder moving forward.
  z223-z225: Where we can see JBC's coat move, the "lapel flip" or the "coat bulge" (I can't tell which) in frame z-224.
  z225- . . . : Where we can see JBC suddenly jerk his right hand upward, bring his hat into view by z-226.

Question: What frame numbers correspond to each of the shots you think were fired?

I believe the frame numbers that correspond to the three shots were:
  z153: First shot miss.
  z222: Second shot (SBT).
  z312: Third shot (head shot).