Obvious Facts that Refute the Lone-Gunman Theory

[Jack Nessan]

Umm, there is often some overlap between threads.

Obviously, the large fragment in CE 843 could not be the 7 x 2 mm fragment that Humes said he removed from the frontal area of JFK's skull, the 7 x 2 mm fragment that appears on the autopsy skull x-rays. The two fragments look nothing like each other. We're still waiting for a single LNer to explain this problem.

I'm guessing you are not aware of the disclosure about the NAA analysis of the paraffin cast of Oswald's cheek. We now know that that analysis found strong evidence that Oswald did not fire a rifle on 11/22/63.

I'm guessing you are also not aware of the new evidence regarding Oswald's whereabouts during and right after the shooting. It's discussed in the new documentary JFK Revisited. We now know that no one who was on or near the stairs within 90 seconds of the shooting saw or heard anyone else on the stairs.

It was already fairly obvious that Oswald was not on those stairs from Roy Truly's testimony, wherein Truly said that he was running ahead of Baker up the stairs and saw no one coming down the stairs from the third floor and saw no one on the second-floor landing.

Anyway, WC apologists, as we've seen, have no even halfway credible answers for the Z186 shot reactions. Admitting that the Zapruder film shows that JFK was hit before Z190 was perhaps the most contentious and controversial issue that the HSCA PEP discussed, because of the obvious implications, given the fact that the sixth-floor gunman's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the oak tree from Z166-210.

“Umm, there is often some overlap between threads.”
 
 

Sure there is, but why does it look an awful like deflecting to avoid the obvious?


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“I'm guessing you are not aware of the disclosure about the NAA analysis of the paraffin cast of Oswald's cheek. We now know that that analysis found strong evidence that Oswald did not fire a rifle on 11/22/63.”

 

I believe tests for phosphate showed LHO had fired a weapon.

 

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“I'm guessing you are also not aware of the new evidence regarding Oswald's whereabouts during and right after the shooting. It's discussed in the new documentary JFK Revisited. We now know that no one who was on or near the stairs within 90 seconds of the shooting saw or heard anyone else on the stairs.
 
It was already fairly obvious that Oswald was not on those stairs from Roy Truly's testimony, wherein Truly said that he was running ahead of Baker up the stairs and saw no one coming down the stairs from the third floor and saw no one on the second-floor landing.”

 

Baker does not count? How about LHO’s own words of the encounter with the Police?

 

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“Anyway, WC apologists, as we've seen, have no even halfway credible answers for the Z186 shot reactions. Admitting that the Zapruder film shows that JFK was hit before Z190 was perhaps the most contentious and controversial issue that the HSCA PEP discussed, because of the obvious implications, given the fact that the sixth-floor gunman's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the oak tree from Z166-210.”

 

Nobody is apologizing for anything. Betzner took his photo at Z186 and states the first shot came later while he was rewinding his camera. Betzner stated there was two shots. The second shot being the head shot. In your own words, the shot would had to have occurred after Z210.

[Tim Nickerson]

Obviously, the large fragment in CE 843 could not be the 7 x 2 mm fragment that Humes said he removed from the frontal area of JFK's skull, the 7 x 2 mm fragment that appears on the autopsy skull x-rays. The two fragments look nothing like each other. We're still waiting for a single LNer to explain this problem.

The large fragment in CE-843 is the 7 x 2 mm fragment that Humes removed from behind the right eye. I'm still waiting for you to point out both the forehead fragment and the 7 x 2 mm fragment in the AP view.

I'm guessing you are not aware of the disclosure about the NAA analysis of the paraffin cast of Oswald's cheek. We now know that that analysis found strong evidence that Oswald did not fire a rifle on 11/22/63.

That is false.  NAA analysis of the paraffin cast of Oswald's cheek did not in any way indicate that Oswald had not fired a rifle on 11/22/63.

I'm guessing you are also not aware of the new evidence regarding Oswald's whereabouts during and right after the shooting. It's discussed in the new documentary JFK Revisited. We now know that no one who was on or near the stairs within 90 seconds of the shooting saw or heard anyone else on the stairs.

No one was on or near the stairs within 90 seconds of the shooting except for Oswald, Baker, and Truly.

It was already fairly obvious that Oswald was not on those stairs from Roy Truly's testimony, wherein Truly said that he was running ahead of Baker up the stairs and saw no one coming down the stairs from the third floor and saw no one on the second-floor landing.

Truly didn't see Adams and Styles either. He didn't see Oswald because Oswald was already inside the vestibule outside of the lunchroom proper.

Anyway, WC apologists, as we've seen, have no even halfway credible answers for the Z186 shot reactions.

The credible answer for "Z186 shot reactions" is that there were no Z186 shot reactions. There was no shot at Z186. Kennedy and Connally were both hit at about Z223. Their simultaneous reactions are unmistakable and undeniable.

[Dan O'meara]

What about the movement and head turn left of SS agent Hickey coincident with  the Willis girl stopping?

 

Aah...the Conspiratorial Mind at work.
And the Golden Rule of the Conspiratorial Mind - "if two things happen at the same time, they must be connected".
This thread is a product of this Golden Rule. Pick a point in the Z-film, and any detail that happens at that point is a "shot reaction".

Hickey moves while Willis is stopping...so what?
As Willis stops JFK begins to wave to the crowd. Are you telling me these things are connected?
In fact, why don't we create a new conspiracy theory centered around Rosemary Willis and her movements...

Notice, no-one else in Dealey Plaza is running alongside the presidential limo. RW is the only one. Why? It's almost as if she's tracking the vehicle.
Notice that one second after RW stops running JFK is shot in the throat. Are you telling me that's a coincidence?
Notice it is RW's own father who takes the last picture of JFK before he is shot. Coincidence? Really?
Notice that RW is the only person in Dealey Plaza wearing a hood. It turned out to be a beautiful day yet RW feels the need to cover up. Is she trying to disguise herself?
Notice RW is wearing red and white. A red star on a white background ringing any bells? "A symbol that has often historically been associated with communist ideology". What a shock.
Could it be that this so-called little girl is actually renowned Russian midget assassin, Bogdan Stashinsky, who is signalling for the shooting to begin. This would explain the hooded disguise, the colours and the fact the shooting begins immediately after "she" signals.

I fully expect this new conspiracy theory to be doing the rounds within the next few weeks.

[John Iacoletti]

No one was on or near the stairs within 90 seconds of the shooting except for Oswald, Baker, and Truly.

How could you possibly know that?

[Jerry Organ]

How could you possibly know that?

"went down the staircase in 75 seconds without being seen or heard by 12 people along the way."

Who are the 12 people eye-locked or within clear earshot of the backstairs (floors three-thru-five, I take it)? What about the visual and audible distraction outside? Or some of those 12 not moving from their original position for at least a minute or two?

"75 seconds" is when Oswald could have arrived on the second floor, so he's passing through floors five-thru-three earlier.

[John Iacoletti]

Dougherty, Norman, Jarman, Williams, Adams, Styles, Garner, Foster, Hollies, Dorman, Hopson, Nelson.

At least the first nine were within direct view and/or earshot of the areas near the staircases on floors 4-5.

[Charles Collins]

Mr. BALL. They reported that you told them on the 23d of November that you and Hank, that is Hank Norman, isn't it--
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And Junior--that is Junior Jarman-were standing where they would have seen anyone coming down from the sixth floor by way of the stairs. Did you tell them that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I could not possibly have told him that, because you cannot see anything coming down from that position.
Mr. BALL. And that you did not see anyone coming down.
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. An elephant could walk by there, and you could not see him.

[Dan O'meara]

Mr. BALL. They reported that you told them on the 23d of November that you and Hank, that is Hank Norman, isn't it--
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And Junior--that is Junior Jarman-were standing where they would have seen anyone coming down from the sixth floor by way of the stairs. Did you tell them that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I could not possibly have told him that, because you cannot see anything coming down from that position.
Mr. BALL. And that you did not see anyone coming down.
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. An elephant could walk by there, and you could not see him.

But you'd definitely hear it.