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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #104 on: January 26, 2023, 11:43:42 PM »
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All of which is a long way of saying: I like to cherry-pick according to my convenience

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No, it is explaining legitimate reasons to discount witness accounts that conflict with the rest of the evidence.

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #105 on: January 26, 2023, 11:51:20 PM »
Consider that Oswald was over at the west end long before the motorcade was set to arrive but could not get back over to the sniper's nest until after Williams had left for the firth floor.

In other words, if the motorcade was set to arrive at 12:25 and Oswald was over at the west end around 12:15 (or even a few minutes earlier), then your point (above) is entirely invalid.


Consider that LHO could have fired his shots from the open windows on the west end of the sixth floor if need be (ie: BRW had stayed on the sixth floor). As long as LHO was stealthy and remained undetected by BRW until the shots began, he had no reason to have to know exactly when the motorcade would arrive in Dealey Plaza.

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« Reply #106 on: January 27, 2023, 12:26:36 AM »
Note! The above scenario does not require the 'investigating' authorities to ever know anything about the existence of an outside crew in charge of the floor-laying project. Rather, it has them needing to go to the most extraordinary lengths to pin the shooting on the patsy whom Mr. Truly, in panicked improvisation, has fed them.

Mr. Truly has to explain his having vouched for a white man caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up. The information which Mr. Harold Norman gives us allows us to consider a scenario in which the man really did work there (as Mr. Truly said), but in which his presence in the building now needed to be hushed up----------because it would mean having to reveal the presence of the outside crew Mr. Truly had brought in.

Mr. Truly's options are horribly limited here. Unless he can find an alternative 'worker', he has to admit that the assassination team was the external crew which he himself brought in to lay the floor. He needs an alternative 'worker'. But who might fit the bill? Not one of the three black workers who watched the P. Parade from the fifth floor. Not Mr. Jack Dougherty, who does fit the bill location-wise but just doesn't fit the description the motorcycle officer will be giving. Not Mr. Billy Lovelady, who might fit the bill description-wise, but doesn't location-wise (Mr. Truly knows he was out front for the P. Parade).

There is only one option: Mr. Oswald. Mr. Truly, at the time he feeds Mr. Oswald's name to the cops, thinks (erroneously) he is on safe (if deeply unethical) ground, because he saw Mr. Oswald inside the building just after the shooting (small storage room on the first floor). In sacrificing Mr. Oswald, he pushes the 'investigating' authorities into full cover-up and hoax mode. That his patsy turns out to have a commie past only intensifies the monomaniacal focus on him as a suspect. And the Lone Nut story that informs the hoax gets Mr. Truly off the hook: a Lone Nut scenario is the only one that doesn't implicate the man who hired Mr. Oswald. Such would certainly not be the case for an entire team of men brought in on Mr. Truly's initiative.

Again, all of the above supposes for argument's sake NO foreknowledge by Mr. Truly of the assassination plot. And it obviously has him mention to Mr. Ochus Campbell his sighting of Mr. Oswald in the first-floor storage room BEFORE he has thought to turn the man caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up into Mr. Oswald.

On this scenario, the 'investigating' authorities know that Mr. Oswald didn't do the shooting, and wasn't the man Officer Baker caught by the rear stairway. Mr. Truly tells them he honestly thought it was Mr. Oswald--------and now has no idea who it can have been. The authorities don't really believe him, but all efforts must now go into pinning the crime on Mr. Oswald. FBI cooks up the lunchroom story, and Mr. Truly comes on board as a compliant witness.

It is said that Mr. Truly spent the rest of his life in great fear of the authorities. He knew that they knew he had lied about the man by the rear stairway. They just didn't know-------and didn't really want to know-------what exactly he was hiding.

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« Reply #107 on: January 27, 2023, 12:31:48 AM »

No, it is explaining legitimate reasons to discount witness accounts that conflict with the rest of the evidence.

Nope, it is contriving reasons to arbitrarily discard any evidence that does not comport with the official story. 'Given that we know Santa Claus is real, we can assume that the dimensions of the chimney are such that etc.'

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« Reply #108 on: January 27, 2023, 12:59:06 AM »
Nope, it is contriving reasons to arbitrarily discard any evidence that does not comport with the official story. 'Given that we know Santa Claus is real, we can assume that the dimensions of the chimney are such that etc.'



If you are describing yourself, I would agree. And I could add a lot more to the description of what you do. Sadly, you wouldn’t take it seriously.

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« Reply #109 on: January 27, 2023, 03:27:59 AM »
Why would they need a whole crew of conspirators on the 6th floor?

A single shooter with a semi auto rifle is all that’s necessary to pull this job off.

Ideally a person who has been employed at TSBD and is familiar with the building and the routine activity of the employees and which floor is a good place to be likely absent of employees at 12:00-12:30 on Friday 11/23/63.

Or the employee could supply information for an professional shooter a few days in advance?

Thomas Arthur Vallee was about to do the job all by himself in Chicago from a high building window. Fortunately he was preempted. It should be noted HE was intending to use a semi auto rifle.Not sure how much info he had about the building or employee routine.

If Rowlands observation of the white /Latin man with the a rifle in hand is considered credible by both CT and LN , then does not such display by the shooter suggest he was NOT likely a professional gunman?

If there was a “crew” of persons to aid this solitary gunman, WTF were they thinking letting him so blatantly displaying himself at the window with rifle in hand and in an “ at the ready” posture?

I can only speculate an CT alternative scenario of pre event staging to hopefully have a few spectators witness see and remember the display as means to direct attention to the 6th floor post shooting, so that a pre planted rifle will be found.

Are there any other CT alternative explanation?

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #110 on: January 27, 2023, 06:53:20 AM »

The area where Arnold Rowland said he saw a man with a rifle would be out of sight of BRW while eating lunch on the cart in the third aisle. But I have already show this in another thread a while back. How quickly you forget!

I don’t recall you “showing” anything of the kind.

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« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2023, 06:55:39 AM »
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time [he was eating his lunch] I couldn't see too much of the sixth floor, because the books at the time were stacked so high. I could see only in the path that I was standing--as I remember, I could not possibly see anything to the east side of the building. But just one aisle, the aisle I was standing in I could see just about to the west side of the building. So far as seeing to the east and behind me, I could only see down the aisle behind me and the aisle to the west of me.

Again: "I could not possibly see anything to the east side of the building."


Uh, Steve, we were talking about the west side.

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« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2023, 06:55:39 AM »