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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #96 on: January 26, 2023, 07:56:03 PM »
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Plus, the racist dirty Dallas police ordered him to say he saw Oswald in the nest. Remember that? That's right, the evil fascist police force didn't do that at all. They planted all of the evidence but forgot to get the witnesses to read from their script about putting Oswald in that window.

They were limited in what they could do in that direction because they knew full well that Mr. Oswald hadn't been there, and that compelling evidence of his whereabouts elsewhere could very well yet emerge.

They desperately wanted Mr. Howard Brennan & Co. to say they felt that Mr. Oswald was the man they'd seen in the window. But that was as far as they could go. Pressuring a Depository employee, who actually knew Mr. Oswald, into making a knowingly false identification? Big hostage to fortune.

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #97 on: January 26, 2023, 08:00:35 PM »
Yes, even if Oswald was standing (and not sitting/squatting) he would have been blocked from William's view from the reader/cart. However, when BRW went in or out of the floor - stood up to leave - shouldn't he seen the top of Oswald's head/torso? That would have been above the boxes.




If they were both standing, perhaps it could have been possible if no stacks of boxes were higher than their eyes. But BRW would have had to be looking that way. And the heights of the stacks of boxes throughout the floor varied.

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« Reply #98 on: January 26, 2023, 08:24:47 PM »
Yes, BRW while sitting on the cart couldn't have seen him in either the sniper's nest or where Arnold Rowland said he saw a man with a rifle (standing back from the west window) at the same time as he saw a man at the sniper's nest window.

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Just because someone says something, it doesn’t automatically make it true. Practically all of the occupants of the limousine said that JFK didn’t say anything after he was shot through the neck. And I think that he probably couldn’t have spoken with a hole in his trachea below the larynx. But Kellerman said that he believed he heard JFK say “I’ve been hit”. Based on all of the evidence, Kellerman had to have been mistaken. I think that he might have heard JBC say that. And that JBC would have sounded different with a collapsed lung. This of course doesn’t mean that Kellerman is unreliable and everything he says is wrong. Likewise we do not have to believe everything that Arnold Rowland says. In his 11/22/63 affidavit, he only claimed seeing one man with a rifle. That's believable to me. Later embellishments when he testified to the WC are highly suspect and contradict the other evidence.

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #99 on: January 26, 2023, 10:19:29 PM »

Just because someone says something, it doesn’t automatically make it true. Practically all of the occupants of the limousine said that JFK didn’t say anything after he was shot through the neck. And I think that he probably couldn’t have spoken with a hole in his trachea below the larynx. But Kellerman said that he believed he heard JFK say “I’ve been hit”. Based on all of the evidence, Kellerman had to have been mistaken. I think that he might have heard JBC say that. And that JBC would have sounded different with a collapsed lung. This of course doesn’t mean that Kellerman is unreliable and everything he says is wrong. Likewise we do not have to believe everything that Arnold Rowland says. In his 11/22/63 affidavit, he only claimed seeing one man with a rifle. That's believable to me. Later embellishments when he testified to the WC are highly suspect and contradict the other evidence.

~Grin~

All of which is a long way of saying: I like to cherry-pick according to my convenience

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« Reply #100 on: January 26, 2023, 10:34:40 PM »
Imagine----------------for example-----------------this light-brown-jacket-wearing man was the actual man described in Officer Baker's affidavit:



He looks rather like Mr. Oswald. Might Mr. Truly get away with a switcheroo?

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If (arguendo) the following (columns 4 & 5) from Kent Biffle (Dallas Morning News) reflects a real event:



: then we can supplement our posited sequence of events for an innocent Mr. Roy Truly:

----------At first, he doesn't think the shots even came from his building
----------But he runs in and offers to show the policeman up the building
----------Before they take to the stairs, they see Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald in a small storage room: Mr. Truly vouches for him as a worker
----------Several floors up, the officer catches a man walking away from the rear stairway
----------Mr. Truly recognizes the man as one of the outside crew that has been working on the floors upstairs, and tells the officer that he's okay, he works here
----------Later on, Mr. Truly puts the pieces together: that outside carpentry crew were not what they seemed, and that man by the rear stairway was making an escape

Mr. Truly soon realises he has to explain away the man Officer Baker caught on the stairs = the man he (Mr. Truly) vouched for (truthfully) as someone who worked there. Otherwise he could find himself in very deep trouble, as the man who brought that crew in in the first place.

He remembers the encounter with Mr. Oswald on the first floor, and this gives him an idea: pretend it was Oswald they ran into by the rear stairway several floors up. That gives them an employee to focus on rather than a member of the outside crew.

Why Mr. Oswald? Because he looks rather like the escaping man; and (crucially) he appears to have been inside the building at the time of the shooting. So the switcheroo just might stick.

Desperate times, desperate measures.

It is only once Mr. Truly has worked out this solution, no doubt in consultation with Mr. Shelley, that he goes to Captain Fritz with his 'I've an employee missing' schtick...................

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« Reply #101 on: January 26, 2023, 10:45:23 PM »
He remembers the encounter with Mr. Oswald on the first floor, and this gives him an idea: pretend it was Oswald they ran into by the rear stairway several floors up. That gives them an employee to focus on rather than a member of the outside crew.

Why Mr. Oswald? Because he looks rather like the escaping man; and (crucially) he appears to have been inside the building at the time of the shooting.

Desperate times, desperate measures.

It is only once Mr. Truly has worked out this solution, no doubt in consultation with Mr. Shelley, that he goes to Captain Fritz with his 'I've an employee missing' schtick...................

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But! The switcheroo causes awful complications. Because it is soon established that Mr. Oswald actually went outside to watch the P. Parade, and must have then come back inside in time to be seen in the (front-of-house) storage room. Mr. Truly, in feeding the cops a Mr. Oswald caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up, has given them not just a major suspect but a major headache. There is every chance that compelling evidence could emerge any moment proving Mr. Oswald's front-entrance alibi.

And so is born the second-floor lunchroom fairytale. It is an adaptation of the actual rear stairway encounter, but relocated to a place that is theoretically compatible with TWO very different scenarios:
1. Mr. Oswald fired the shots and then came down from six
2. Mr. Oswald was out front and then came in and went up to the lunchroom.

All because Mr. Truly needed to hide the fact of an outside crew he had brought in to lay some new floors-----------the crew that turned out to be an assassination team

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« Reply #102 on: January 26, 2023, 10:51:14 PM »
But! The switcheroo causes awful complications. Because it is soon established that Mr. Oswald actually went outside to watch the P. Parade, and must have then come back inside in time to be seen in the (front-of-house) storage room. Mr. Truly, in feeding the cops an Mr. Oswald caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up, has given them a major headache. There is every chance that compelling evidence could emerge any moment proving Mr. Oswald's front-entrance alibi.

And so is born the second-floor lunchroom fairytale. It is an adaptation of the actual rear stairway encounter, but relocated to a place that is theoretically compatible with TWO very different scenarios:
1. Mr. Oswald fired the shots and then came down from six
2. Mr. Oswald was out front and then came in and went up to the lunchroom.

All because Mr. Truly needed to hide the fact that the outside crew he had brought in to lay some new floors had been an assassination team

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Note! The above scenario does not require the 'investigating' authorities to ever know anything about the existence of an outside crew in charge of the floor-laying project. Rather, it has them needing to go to the most extraordinary lengths to pin the shooting on the patsy whom Mr. Truly, in panicked improvisation, has fed them.

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2023, 11:01:26 PM »
If Oswald expected the motorcade to pass TSBD at the scheduled time, he would've needed to be in the sniper's nest at the time when BRW (or someone else) was there. Unless he had a radio and was listening to the parade at the time, he couldn't have known that he had a few more minutes to get into his firing position. (he also couldn't have known that BRW would leave shortly before the motorcade arrived or been able to prevent anyone else from coming to the Sixth floor).

Consider that Oswald was over at the west end long before the motorcade was set to arrive but could not get back over to the sniper's nest until after Williams had left for the firth floor.

In other words, if the motorcade was set to arrive at 12:25 and Oswald was over at the west end around 12:15 (or even a few minutes earlier), then your point (above) is entirely invalid.

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« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2023, 11:01:26 PM »