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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #136 on: January 29, 2023, 06:57:03 PM »
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From 'Collaborators of the Conspiracy", a 1992 article in The Third Decade by Mr. William Weston:



Mr. Weston suggests that the crew moved up from five to six (on Wed 11/20) even though the fifth-floor job was not fully completed. From this he suggests that the floor-laying crew of Depository men (Messrs. Shelley, Givens, Lovelady, Arce, Williams) may have been knowingly securing the sixth floor in good time for Friday's motorcade.

However, we can now see---------thanks to Mr. Harold Norman's information about an external flooring crew-----------that no such foreknowledge would have been required on the part of the Depository workers, nor for them to have made the call to move prematurely from five to six. They were simply following instructions, and helping out the outside crew in good faith. Once the assassination happened, they were horrified (and terrified) to realise what those men had really been there for----------and why the move up to to six had to have happened when it did.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #137 on: January 29, 2023, 07:47:36 PM »

I estimate the south “aisle” to be about 24” wide and the tall stack to be about 35” from the south wall. It seems to me we are both in the same ballpark. Do you agree?

I would say at least 4 feet back.

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« Reply #138 on: January 29, 2023, 09:00:53 PM »
I would say at least 4 feet back.


Okay, here's what ~4.5' looks like in my 3D model. BRW sitting on the cart is the camera position and is represented by the virtual visitor icon. I don't think it is quite that far, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, the stack of boxes is approximately 4.5' from the inside of the south wall. I have made one box invisible so that part of the rifleman character can be seen behind the boxes from BRW's position. The rifleman character is about 5' from the inside of the south wall, within the revised range that Rowland estimated.







Here is the view from Arnold Rowland's position. It fits reasonably well with his description.





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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #139 on: January 29, 2023, 11:02:51 PM »
Hmm...ok, conceivable.  But that would put the gunman tantalizingly close to the very edge of being seen.

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« Reply #140 on: January 29, 2023, 11:23:12 PM »
Hmm...ok, conceivable.  But that would put the gunman tantalizingly close to the very edge of being seen.


Yes, I agree. However, consider the timing. Arnold Rowland said he saw the man with the rifle while the epileptic event was happening. The ambulance arrived using lights and siren. If the man with the rifle was keeping out of sight on the west end of the sixth floor, he might have heard the associated commotion going on outside in Dealey Plaza and decided to get a look outside because he might have thought the siren etc., could be associated with the motorcade arriving in Dealey Plaza. And he wanted to be ready to fire (out the west window if necessary) when the limo passed the building. So, taking a chance of being seen by someone in Dealey Plaza was necessary. And that would also apply to BRW if he was still on the sixth floor. Standing back from the window reduced the chance of being seen from the outside, and the stacks of boxes did the same regarding BRW.

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« Reply #141 on: January 30, 2023, 02:53:29 PM »
~Yawn~

Already addressed in Reply #11 on this thread

You addressed nothing except your fantasy.  Suggesting that the home improvement team left the building before the assassination doesn't explain how your fantasy shooter(s) got out of the building if you support the baseless allegation that LHO couldn't even have gotten to the 2nd floor unnoticed using the same stairs.  Time and again we learn that the fantasy conspirators could do things that Oswald could not have done.  Amazing.

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« Reply #142 on: January 30, 2023, 03:51:49 PM »
You addressed nothing except your fantasy.  Suggesting that the home improvement team left the building before the assassination doesn't explain how your fantasy shooter(s) got out of the building if you support the baseless allegation that LHO couldn't even have gotten to the 2nd floor unnoticed using the same stairs.  Time and again we learn that the fantasy conspirators could do things that Oswald could not have done.  Amazing.

Just another typical misrepresentation of the facts!

Oswald was the only person who needed to get down the stairs within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot, because that's when he was seen in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Anybody else could simply have waited on the 6th floor for a while and then walk out of the building amidst all the confusion.

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« Reply #143 on: January 30, 2023, 04:20:00 PM »
Just another typical misrepresentation of the facts!

Oswald was the only person who needed to get down the stairs within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot, because that's when he was seen in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Anybody else could simply have waited on the 6th floor for a while and then walk out of the building amidst all the confusion.

That's ALL they had to do with the law enforcement swarming the building?  HA HA HA.   How did your fantasy person "walk out of the building" after standing around the 6th floor for 75 or more seconds after assassinating the president?  Why would they just stand there at the crime scene?  HA HA HA.  Unreal.

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« Reply #143 on: January 30, 2023, 04:20:00 PM »