When the SN was built

[Jack Nessan]

No, Strawman Nessan.  You can either prove that Oswald "built" a sniper's nest, or you cannot.

No, the claim was that it's not unusual for prints of employees who handle boxes to be on boxes.  It doesn't prove that they "built" anything.

Cite?

Latona said 3 days.

You don't know that.

Fingerprints cannot indicate such a thing.

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

 

No that was not your claim. I will quote it again for you. It was not about "handling" boxes it was about opening them and retrieving books. You are not able to tell what a box that was sealed looks like compared to when it is now opened up. This is not about all the boxes in the TSBD but just the four arranged by LHO to make a rifle rest and a place to sit. They were arranged to be used by the assassin. 

 

 

 

John Iacoletti

Re: When the SN was built

« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2023, 06:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Jack Nessan on January 31, 2023, 04:47:37 PM

And LHO's fingerprints were found on the box. On this information alone it is hard to deny who was the assassin.
 

 
JI: Again, why?  Fingerprints on a box from an employee whose job was literally getting books out of boxes.  How odd.

 

This post is about him doing his job retrieving books out of boxes not just mindlessly placing his hands on boxes. 

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Again, there were three people on the 6th floor after everyone else left for lunch. Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.

 
If you feel the only other two men on the 6th floor, BRW or Givens, really built the SN now would be a really good time to elaborate. If not, it only leaves LHO as the person left who arranged the SN.

 
No, Latona, he worked for the FBI. It is not the FBI and Latona. 

[Martin Weidmann]

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

No that was not your claim. I will quote it again for you. It was not about "handling" boxes it was about opening them and retrieving books. You are not able to tell what a box that was sealed looks like compared to when it is now opened up. This is not about all the boxes in the TSBD but just the four arranged by LHO to make a rifle rest and a place to sit. They were arranged to be used by the assassin. 

John Iacoletti

Re: When the SN was built

« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2023, 06:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Jack Nessan on January 31, 2023, 04:47:37 PM

And LHO's fingerprints were found on the box. On this information alone it is hard to deny who was the assassin.
 
JI: Again, why?  Fingerprints on a box from an employee whose job was literally getting books out of boxes.  How odd.

 
This post is about him doing his job retrieving books out of boxes not just mindlessly placing his hands on boxes. 

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Again, there were three people on the 6th floor after everyone else left for lunch. Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.
 
If you feel the only other two men on the 6th floor, BRW or Givens, really built the SN now would be a really good time to elaborate. If not, it only leaves LHO as the person left who arranged the SN.
 
No, Latona, he worked for the FBI. It is not the FBI and Latona.

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

The term strawman is not a silly nickname. Could it be you don't know what the meaning of the term is?


Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.

None of this is true.

There were in fact latent prints on the boxes which could not be identified (conveniently only Oswald's prints were identified).

There was no print on (or even a trace of a print having been lifted of) the rifle when the FBI lab in Washington examined the weapon!

And the bag that was allegedly found at the S/N wasn't the one Frazier or Randle saw Oswald carry that morning. Because of the type of tape used to make the bag, it had to have been made at the TSBD and there is no evidence whatsoever it ever left the TSBD, making it just a bag made from TSBD materials and allegedly found at the TSBD. Oswald was never seen near the packing tables where the bag had to have been made, but we know for a fact that DPD officers were at that table and actually made a (allegedly duplicate) bag. Now what possible reason could they have had to make a duplicate of a bag, when they had the original?

[John Iacoletti]

No ifs ands or buts about it, Brenan saw the sniper in the sixth floor window when the Bronson film segment was filmed and the ambulance was still there.

 

[John Iacoletti]

From “Eyewitness to History”, by Howard L. Brenan, page 7:

Published 24 years later and highly embellished.  Yeah, I'm sure Brennan really thought "my God, they're going to kill them all".  What a coinky-dink.

[Richard Smith]

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

The term strawman is not a silly nickname. It seems you don't know what the meaning of the term is,


Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.

None of this is true.

There were in fact latent prints on the boxes which could not be identified (conveniently only Oswald's prints were identified).

There was no print on (or even a trace of a print having been lifted of) the rifle when the FBI lab in Washington examined the weapon!

And the bag that was allegedly found at the S/N wasn't the one Frazier or Randle saw Oswald carry that morning. Because of the type of tape used to make the bag, it had to have been made at the TSBD and there is no evidence whatsoever it ever left the TSBD, making it just a bag made from TSBD materials and allegedly found at the TSBD. Oswald was never seen near the packing tables where the bag had to have been made, but we know for a fact that DPD officers were at that table and actually made a (allegedly duplicate) bag. Now what possible reason could they have had to make a duplicate of a bag, when they had the original?

How many of these "prints" remained unidentified after eliminating the DPD and FBI agents who touched these boxes?  This is all just more weak defense attorney nonsense.  No reasonable person can believe the explanation for Oswald's prints on all these objects relating to the assassination was just bad luck or the police fabricating evidence to frame a dead guy.  That is contrarian bull. 

[John Iacoletti]

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman.

No, when you make up a claim to argue with (like "you think BRWilliams or/and Givens built it"), that's a strawman.  I didn't say I think that.

No that was not your claim. I will quote it again for you. It was not about "handling" boxes it was about opening them and retrieving books. You are not able to tell what a box that was sealed looks like compared to when it is now opened up. This is not about all the boxes in the TSBD but just the four arranged by LHO to make a rifle rest and a place to sit. They were arranged to be used by the assassin. 

You don't know that any boxes "were used as a rifle rest" or "a place to sit".  Or even that they were "arranged" for that purpose.  This is pure speculation.

This post is about him doing his job retrieving books out of boxes not just mindlessly placing his hands on boxes.

This may shock you to hear, but sometimes employees have to move boxes in order to do their jobs too.

Again, there were three people on the 6th floor after everyone else left for lunch.

Are you suggesting that boxes were moved or prints were left after everyone else left for lunch on 11/22?  There is no basis for that.

Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes.

You don't know that.

The same as his rifle

"His rifle", LOL.  Correction:  the CE139 rifle had prints by the trigger guard that were unsuitable for identification purposes, and a single partial palmprint turned up a week later on an index card.

, same as the bag.

You mean "the bag" that doesn't appear in any crime scene photos where it was allegedly found and that nobody can agree on where or when it was found, who found it, or how or if it was folded?  That "bag"?  The "bag" that you cannot demonstrate ever held a rifle?

No, Latona, he worked for the FBI. It is not the FBI and Latona.

What are you talking about now?  I didn't say "the FBI and Latona".  You claimed that "The FBI testing indicated fingerprints lasted a maximum of 1 day on cardboard".  Where did you get this idea?  What FBI testing?

[John Iacoletti]

How many of these "prints" remained unidentified after eliminating the DPD and FBI agents who touched these boxes?  This is all just more weak defense attorney nonsense.  No reasonable person can believe the explanation for Oswald's prints on all these objects relating to the assassination was just bad luck or the police fabricating evidence to frame a dead guy.  That is contrarian bull.

And your evidence that these boxes were "relating to the assassination" is.....what, exactly?  Sounds like weak prosecuting attorney nonsense.

[Martin Weidmann]

How many of these "prints" remained unidentified after eliminating the DPD and FBI agents who touched these boxes?  This is all just more weak defense attorney nonsense.  No reasonable person can believe the explanation for Oswald's prints on all these objects relating to the assassination was just bad luck or the police fabricating evidence to frame a dead guy.  That is contrarian bull.

What is really bull is claiming that only Oswald's prints were on those boxes, that Oswald's print was on the rifle and that a bag made from TSBD materials was found at the sniper's nest.

There isn't a shred of evidence for any of those claims except "the DPD said so".