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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #160 on: February 07, 2023, 03:33:58 PM »
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Only hypothetically.

Yet, we have seen it insinuated many times that the absence of anyone reporting seeing LHO on the stairs just after the assassination is evidence that he couldn’t have been there.


And if there had been no LHO prints found in the sniper’s nest we would have a loud chorus of nay sayers and CTers asking “how could he have built the sniper’s nest and left no prints?” Also, “how could he have even been in the sniper’s nest and left no prints?”

I smell something….

Yet, we have seen it insinuated many times that the absence of anyone reporting seeing LHO on the stairs just after the assassination is evidence that he couldn’t have been there.

Well, the WC seemed to think that. That's why they tried to discredit with a bogus argument and why they ignored Dorothy Garner completely.

The actual claim, by the LNs, is that Oswald came down the stairs after the last shot, but there is not a shred of evidence for that claim. In fact, all the available evidence, considered in the correct context, makes it just about impossible that he could have gone down the stairs unseen, within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot. But that he wasn't seen isn't evidence that he wasn't there. You just don't get to assume that he was there. If you claim that he came down the stairs, you need to prove it.

And if there had been no LHO prints found in the sniper’s nest we would have a loud chorus of nay sayers and CTers asking “how could he have built the sniper’s nest and left no prints?” Also, “how could he have even been in the sniper’s nest and left no prints?”

This is just silly. There is no evidence that Oswald or anybody else placed those boxes in that corner. They all must have left prints, but - as Latona tells us - prints on cardboard don't hold very well or very long. The whole fingerprint thing has no evidentiary value one way of the other.

I smell something….

Let me guess... your own BS perhaps?

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Re: When the SN was built
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #161 on: February 07, 2023, 03:55:18 PM »
I don’t know how to make this any simpler for you. You claimed that I believe that Williams or Givens constructed a sniper’s nest. I don’t believe that, and I never said anything like that. You made it up. It’s a strawman. Now what was the thing I posted that was “completely wrong”? And answer that without making up another strawman. Use a direct quote.

The only one who seems to be in anguish is you, trying to do backflips to turn this into evidence of murder.

We know nothing of the kind.

 BS:, how? And even if this is true, this is evidence of …. what? What about the way Frazier said he carried his package? And the fact that they described a different package than the magic, invisible CE142?

 BS: “Proven” how?

Also  BS:. Brennan didn’t even say that.

Maybe not for somebody who bases his “understandings” on claims that are false, unsubstantiated, or irrelevant.

No, Strawman has just now replaced gaslighting as the popular term to use to escape a faltering argument. 

There were only three possible choices to build the SN. Givens, BRW, and LHO. Pick your favorite. All of the men working on the 6th floor that morning was cleared. LHO’s prints are on every piece of evidence. He purchased the rifle and had no alibi during the assassination. The Rolling Reader boxes specifically have his prints on them and were moved from the other 8 boxes and they were specifically used in the construction of the rifle rest. They were moved there for the express purpose of being used to build the SN. Brennan saw and stated he saw the second shot being fired from the SN. 

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #162 on: February 07, 2023, 04:55:54 PM »

We have seen it insinuated many times that the absence of anyone reporting seeing LHO on the front steps during the assassination is evidence that he couldn’t have been there.

The photographic record indicates that many of those people who said they didn’t see LHO on the steps were, um, actually there during the assassination.

Yes, looking at the motorcade. Your point?

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #163 on: February 07, 2023, 05:05:24 PM »
It's revealing that every piece of evidence they demand be shown in the assassination of JFK to persuade them of Oswald's guilt can be provided in the shooting of Tippit. If they complain about the absence of "A" in one case it can be shown to exist in another. Their demands in the second case are met.

The two cases then can be a sort of test or comparison to show the sincerity of a person's demands.

The 'investigating' authorities (your heroes) felt a lot more confident they could make a Tippit charge stick than a JFK charge. Knowing as they did, very early on, that Mr. Oswald had been in the doorway for the motorcade, they couldn't go as far there towards implicating him definitively as shooter: too big a hostage to fortune. So their shenanigans went all in on circumstantial/'best inference' stuff. 

Hence (e.g.) the paraffin tests: 'incriminating' for Tippit; 'inconclusive' for JFK.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #164 on: February 07, 2023, 05:06:53 PM »
Yes, looking at the motorcade. Your point?


No photographic evidence of anyone who stated they didn’t see LHO on the stairs near or on the stairs between the sixth floor and second floor during the time in question. That’s one significant difference.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #165 on: February 07, 2023, 05:11:49 PM »

No photographic evidence of anyone who stated they didn’t see LHO on the stairs near or on the stairs between the sixth floor and second floor during the time in question. That’s one significant difference.

Do you have photographic evidence of Mr. Truly and Officer Baker in the second-floor lunchroom during the time in question? And does the lack of such lead you to doubt their claims?

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2023, 05:22:49 PM »
Do you have photographic evidence of Mr. Truly and Officer Baker in the second-floor lunchroom during the time in question? And does the lack of such lead you to doubt their claims?


Timed trials and film of Baker entering the building are significant.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2023, 06:04:01 PM »

Timed trials and film of Baker entering the building are significant.

The only thing that you find significant is anything that fits your predetermined opinion about what allegedly happened.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2023, 06:04:01 PM »