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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #192 on: February 11, 2023, 05:46:30 PM »
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Conclusion for me at this point is that Oswald was not on the 6th floor after 12:00 and that the rifle displaying person Arnold Rowland saw for only a few seconds at the SW 6th floor window , had originally intended  that window. This shooter had not yet set up the SE window ledge box and did not do so until very close to 12:25 after he changed his plans and decided the SE window was the better vantage point.

There reason to change to the other window does necessarily have to be a BRW or any other person on the floor. It could just be the shooter thought the trees at the SW were too much of a potential LOS obstruction.

I don’t see the need for a 2nd shooter unless one of them was trying to shoot using the MC rifle to further set the frame up of Oswald. In that case, a 30.06 precision rifle shooter May have shot the kill head shot at  Z-313 from the SW window. The shot would have been fired about 1 sec after the MC rifle shooter missed his 2nd shot, (z285) such shot possibly hitting  the curb near Tague( at the Triple underpass)

Walt Cakebread preplanted MC rifle theory is the easier way to do the frame up if it’s just one shooter, so I’m partial to that idea more so than the post planted rifle scenario or the 2 shooter theory.

One shooter with a semi auto rifle is enough. However , would a semi auto rifle make the kind of “clack clack” noise that Harold Norman described ?

Maybe a faster firing bolt action version of the MC rifle like the Cavalry carbine MC , could be fired 3 shots in about 4 secs?

The cavalry carbine version had a shorter wooden stock and about 12” of barrel exposed. Disassembled would fit in a 22” length package because of the shorter stock and barrel length.

The idea of an elderly negro leaning out a fully open SE window at 12:15 seems an odd and unnecessary action by a conspirator. Why risk photographs or filmed, jeopardizing the mission?

On the other hand, BRW was definitely not “bald” nor were Norman or Jarman.

BRW shirt was a solid reddish shirt not a plaid green and red shirt.


On the other hand, BRW was definitely not “bald” nor were Norman or Jarman.

BRW had a “high forehead” which could be, or appear to be, a receding hairline. This appears in the Powell and Dillard photos. This tends to make him appear older than he was.

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Re: When the SN was built
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« Reply #193 on: February 11, 2023, 06:51:45 PM »

On the other hand, BRW was definitely not “bald” nor were Norman or Jarman.

BRW had a “high forehead” which could be, or appear to be, a receding hairline. This appears in the Powell and Dillard photos. This tends to make him appear older than he was.

The first thing you need to understand is that Rowland made it all up. As was the problem with a lot of his testimony. The negro in the SN did not appear in his statement until the WC testimony and caught them completely by surprise. His wife never backed up his statement.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #194 on: February 11, 2023, 07:11:57 PM »
The first thing you need to understand is that Rowland made it all up. As was the problem with a lot of his testimony. The negro in the SN did not appear in his statement until the WC testimony and caught them completely by surprise. His wife never backed up his statement.


Yes, if you saw an earlier post I made, my opinion is that if Arnold Rowland really believed that he saw an elderly black man, he probably misremembered seeing BRW on the fifth floor a little later (instead of the sixth floor a little earlier). My comment to neon Zeon was measly meant to make him aware of BRW’s appearance.

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« Reply #195 on: February 11, 2023, 07:17:49 PM »

Yes, if you saw an earlier post I made, my opinion is that if Arnold Rowland really believed that he saw an elderly black man, he probably misremembered seeing BRW on the fifth floor a little later (instead of the sixth floor a little earlier). My comment to neon Zeon was measly meant to make him aware of BRW’s appearance.

It is way worse than that. They actually showed he just made things up. An event of this magnitude and he lets his imagination run away from him.

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« Reply #196 on: February 11, 2023, 07:35:05 PM »
It is way worse than that. They actually showed he just made things up. An event of this magnitude and he lets his imagination run away from him.


That wouldn’t surprise me. I suppose I am allowing for another possibility.

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« Reply #197 on: February 11, 2023, 07:41:49 PM »
The above exchange, folks, is a snapshot into the Warren Gullible 'scientific' methodology:
Something threatening to the official story? Why, we need but wave it away and it's gone!
Something conformable to the official story? Only a lunatic would doubt it!

Note how absolutely none of the suspicion our resident Warren Gullibles bring to bear on Mr. Rowland is brought to bear on Mr. Givens' late-developing story about seeing Mr. Oswald on the sixth floor after the men had broken for lunch. Yes, folks, the same Mr. Givens who told Secret Service this on 8 Jan 1964:



Mr. Givens: an honest witness
Mr. Rowland: deserving of our paranoid distrust


Such a chasm of reality-denial & delusional cherry-picking...................... Entertaining to watch though!  Thumb1:
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« Reply #198 on: February 11, 2023, 08:02:48 PM »

That wouldn’t surprise me. I suppose I am allowing for another possibility.

This thread about the construction of the rifle rest has given a new understanding to what LHO was doing between the departure of the floor laying crew and the arrival of BRW. A big question is what LHO would have done if BRW had actually gone over to where LHO was sitting. Would he have decided to not shoot at JFK or just killed BRW.

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« Reply #199 on: February 11, 2023, 08:11:20 PM »
This thread about the construction of the rifle rest has given a new understanding to what LHO was doing between the departure of the floor laying crew and the arrival of BRW. A big question is what LHO would have done if BRW had actually gone over to where LHO was sitting. Would he have decided to not shoot at JFK or just killed BRW.

'This thread has given a new understanding of how Santa Claus came down that chimney. A big question is when exactly Mrs. Claus darned the socks he wore that night.'

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #199 on: February 11, 2023, 08:11:20 PM »