When the SN was built

[Alan Ford]

I think that CE 2783 is very interesting.

'The fact that Mrs. Rowland states she did not hear everything that was said tells us that Mrs. Rowland stated she heard everything that was said'

[Charles Collins]

Of course any answer would just be conjecture. But my theory on it is this. There is credible evidence, in my opinion, from Arnold Rowland of seeing someone who resembled LHO with a rifle at the west end of the sixth floor for no more than 30-seconds sometime around 12:15 but no later than about 12:25. So my much earlier opinion that LHO was sitting in the sniper’s nest the whole time BRW was eating his lunch seems questionable.

It appears to me that LHO probably went to the west end of the sixth floor, shortly after Givens left, to retrieve his rifle that he hid there that morning. Before he could take the rifle back to the already prepared sniper’s nest, BRW came up to the sixth floor and ate his lunch. LHO stayed quiet and out of sight near the stairwell on the sixth floor. If BRW had come over that way LHO could have left via the stairs. When the sounds of the ambulance arrival happened LHO probably felt the need to find out if that was the motorcade arriving. If it had been the motorcade, LHO could have fired shots from the west window before anyone could stop him. However, once BRW left, LHO was able to go to the sniper’s nest in the SE corner as he originally planned.

If the above is wrong, and LHO actually was in the sniper’s nest the whole time, and BRW had come over there and had seen him, he could have simply said he was waiting to see the motorcade. This is provided his rifle was not in the line of sight of BRW. Perhaps the rifle was on the floor against the tall stack of boxes, this would be out of sight of anyone not inside the tiny sniper’s nest but close enough for LHO to grab it when needed. I don’t see any scenario where LHO would kill BRW before the motorcade arrived. That would create too much noise and draw unwanted attention which would cause an abortiion of the assassination anyway.

I would not give Rowland’s sighting any credibility at all, but in reality, it changes nothing. The rest of the conjecture is entirely possible. LHO was obviously hiding there somewhere.

This thread about the construction of the rifle rest has given a new understanding to what LHO was doing between the departure of the floor laying crew and the arrival of BRW. A big question is what LHO would have done if BRW had actually gone over to where LHO was sitting. Would he have decided to not shoot at JFK or just killed BRW.

On the other hand, BRW was definitely not “bald” nor were Norman or Jarman.

BRW had a “high forehead” which could be, or appear to be, a receding hairline. This appears in the Powell and Dillard photos. This tends to make him appear older than he was.

Why then are you so reluctant to consider that Rowland saw Williams when he was still on the sixth floor?

I have considered that. Is that what you believe he saw?

Let’s consider the possibility that BRW was who Arnold Rowland saw in the sniper’s nest. To believe this we would have to believe that BRW failed to tell anyone that he was there. Could he have been too scared to let anyone know this? Perhaps so…

Let us take a look at the timing



Mr. SPECTER - Over how long a time span did you observe the Negro man to be in the window marked "A"?
Mr. ROWLAND - He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds before or a minute before.
Mr. SPECTER - How long after you heard the motorcade was at Main and Ervay did the motorcade pass by where you were?
Mr. ROWLAND - Another 5 minutes.
Mr. SPECTER - So that you observed this colored man on the window you have marked "A" within 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade passed in front of you?
Mr. ROWLAND - Approximately 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade came, he wasn't there. About 30 seconds or a minute prior to that time he was there.


So, if we look at the DPD radio transcript we can see that the motorcade was at Main and Ervay at about 12:22 (not 12:30). And Arnold Rowland said the last time he saw the elderly black man in the SE corner sixth floor window was about “30 seconds or a minute prior to that time.” Also, at this point in time, the ambulance was already en route to Dealey Plaza. Also, Norman and Jarman were likely headed for the fifth floor.


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/D%20Disk/Dallas%20Police%20Department/Dallas%20Police%20Department%20Records/Volume%2004/Item%2001.pdf



So, let us entertain some additional conjecture about what might have been happening on the sixth floor. If we continue with the idea, stated in the earlier conjecture, that LHO was “trapped” on the west end of the sixth floor due to the arrival of BRW (to eat his lunch). And we add the idea that BRW, after finishing his lunch, actually went to the sniper’s nest and leaned out the window. It is conceivable that he might have seen Norman and Jarman below that window as they walked past the window and went around the corner of the TSBD. Then shortly thereafter BRW might have heard Norman and Jarman arrive on the fifth floor below and decided to join them.

LHO, if he was on the west end of the sixth floor and keeping quiet and out of sight, would likely have been keeping track of BRW and hoping he would leave soon. If so, LHO might have realized that BRW had moved to the sniper’s nest and that BRW couldn’t have seen the west end of the sixth floor from a sitting position in the sniper’s nest. LHO might then have decided that it was time to look for another spot to fire at JFK and moved to within 5-feet of the west window (where he was seen by Arnold Rowland). If the above is correct, the motivating factor behind the approach to the west window might not have been the commotion of the epileptic event, but BRW’s presence in the sniper’s nest instead. When BRW left, LHO would have been able to move to the sniper’s nest. And by then Howard Brenan had arrived and noticed LHO in the window. Here’s the timing:

~12:15 Arnold Rowland first sees BRW in the SE window

~12:15 Arnold Rowland sees the man with the rifle back a little bit from the SW window (for only 15 or 20 secs)

~12:22 or, shortly before, Arnold Rowland notices BRW is no longer in the SE window. BRW is headed for the fifth floor, and LHO is headed to the sniper’s nest.

~12:24 the ambulance arrives in Dealey Plaza and Brenan notices LHO in the window

~12:24-12:25 the Bronson film was taken and shows the boxes are already in the SE window


I am not asking anyone to believe the above conjecture has to be correct. Personally, I believe that Arnold Rowland just misremembered which floor and when he saw the elderly black man (aka BRW). However, if we entertain the idea that BRW was too scared to tell anyone that he was in the sniper’s nest before the assassination, then the above conjecture seems possible to me.

[Martin Weidmann]

Mr. BELIN. Again, I apologize for any---for in any way trying to embarrass you or anything, but your husband did see a man on the sixth floor and it is important for us to try and find out everything we can to test his accuracy as to what he saw, and so this is why I have been asking these questions.

And why exactly would Belin feel the need to check with Mrs Rowland if what her husband said was accurate?

Why was it so important to "try and find out everything we can to test his [Mr. Rowland] accuracy?

[John Iacoletti]

Mr. BELIN. Again, I apologize for any---for in any way trying to embarrass you or anything, but your husband did see a man on the sixth floor and it is important for us to try and find out everything we can to test his accuracy as to what he saw, and so this is why I have been asking these questions.

Funny how they didn't do anything like that to "test the accuracy" of Brennan's testimony.

[John Iacoletti]

However, if we entertain the idea that BRW was too scared to tell anyone that he was in the sniper’s nest before the assassination, then the above conjecture seems possible to me.

That, coupled with his chicken bones being reportedly seen on boxes behind the SE window, make this possibility even more probable.

[Charles Collins]

Funny how they didn't do anything like that to "test the accuracy" of Brennan's testimony.

Brenan’s wife wasn’t with him.


However, consider Kellerman’s testimony that he heard JFK say that he had been hit. All the other occupants of the limo were questioned to test the accuracy of Kellerman’s testimony.

[John Iacoletti]

They didn't "test the accuracy" of the people in Dealey Plaza who claimed to see a rifle sticking through the window by asking the people who did not see a rifle sticking through the window.

[Zeon Mason]

There is no reason for the shooter to approach the SW window with a rifle at the ready position unless he was intending in take up a position at that window to prepare to shoot from that window.

Just because Rowland doesn’t see a gunman at the SW window again after about 30 secs does not mean necessarily the gunman left the window and never returned. He might have just moved out of LOS by hiding in the corner just right of the SW window which placed him in total shade.

If this is the scenario, then the  bald elderly negro at the SE window was probably not BRW , but more likely a 2nd gunman, and was in process of preparing that window by placing a box and then lowering the window to the 15.5 inch height. He was 1st glimpsed at 12:15 and then at 12:20 by Rowland. At 12:25  when Rowland looked again, there’s no black man anymore.

Could this indicate that at 12:25  the box has been placed , the window lowered , and the black man is hiding or sitting on the floor and out of LOS?

If he is a 2nd gunman, however , ( to shoot the MC rifle to frame Oswald?) then surely Brennan and Euins would have IDd the shooter as a “dark completed” male with a noticeable bald head?

Only Euins comes close by describing a bald spot, and there’s some controversy as to whether or not Euins ever made an initial statement  that the man as a black man.